Rock River Arms

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Mossyoakman3006, Aug 14, 2010.

  1. Mossyoakman3006

    Mossyoakman3006 New Member

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    So i'm looking for a rifle never owned a AR before I have always been of the school of thought that "you get what you pay for". These seem like some bad *** rifles but it seems odd that they are so relatively cheap for such a built rifle like I said dont know much about AR's so if anyone could educate me that would be great. Thanks

    Ps. looking at this one RRA LAR-15 Tactical Operator2 they say it retails at about $1000, I was hoping to spend between $1000 to $1200 so if there is a better rifle for the price let me know. Thanks again
     
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  2. junho806

    junho806 New Member

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    It is true that you "get what you pay for"
    Because there are so many companies offering AR's or SUR (Sport Utility Rifle) as we call it around here, prices are not as high compared to other rifles. Just go with any of the well known/common AR-15 brands and you should be just dandy.

    Just curious have you ever thought about building one yourself?
     

  3. Mossyoakman3006

    Mossyoakman3006 New Member

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    Never really thought about it, not to say I am oppossed to the idea
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  4. dog2000tj

    dog2000tj New Member

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    Do some more reading about the AR section of the forum. Check out the different build threads, particularly Junho's. Buying a complete AR is easy ..... assembling one on your own, choosing all the components, almost as easy. ;)
     
  5. junho806

    junho806 New Member

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    and you've got a whole community of friendly gun lovers at your disposal!
    :D
     
  6. Mossyoakman3006

    Mossyoakman3006 New Member

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    good to know might just give it a shot
    thanks again
     
  7. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    Rock River is a good company and makes quality products. I assembled my AR from Rock River components. Many of the members in this forum are RR fans.

    Like the others, I strongly urge you to consider building your own. It's fun, it's easy, it's educational, and you'll have a certain sense of pride that you did it yourself!
     
  8. hunter Joe

    hunter Joe New Member

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    The one thing I find exceptional about RRA is that they guarantee 1" groups at 100 yard with many of their firearms.
    I'm not sure if I could make that claim with any of the builds I have done.


    RRA IMHO is one of the best investments, for the money, your going to make if you don't want to do a build. Very good value along with great customer service.
     
  9. Mossyoakman3006

    Mossyoakman3006 New Member

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    I did a little research and from what I've heard the only downfall with RRA is the barrel something about not being cold hammer forged or something like that been looking into building my own, i know that all the parts are suppose to be mil-spec but it seems like a guy could get into if you start mix matching parts from different companies with different torlerances thats my only concern could just be paranoid
     
  10. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    1) - There is so much talk about cold hammer forged versus button versus blah, blah, blah, you may never get a straight answer. Talk to ten different barrel makers and you will get ten reasons, all different, as to why they make their barrels the way they do.

    Don't get caught up in the hype. If you like the RRA rifle and it fits your priceline, buy it. Don't listen to a bunch of armchair gunbuilders on the interwebz talk you out of it.

    2) The AR platform is a very simple, very easy to maintain and therefor build, design. You can buy a lower, an RRA parts kits, a stock and buffer and assemble your complete lower in a couple of hours at the kitchen table.

    There is no grand mystery to the unit, though half the world wants you to believe there is. My young padwan Junho is a fine example. He came here wanting an AR, but not knowing anything about them. After a few weeks of posts and research, along with some reading, he built his own from the ground up and was turning in great groups, had no reliability issues and was in turn giving AR advice to other new members.

    He is one of my greatest accomplishments on this forum because he went from zero to full blown gunner in just a couple of months. He had the will & desire and it paid off with an excellent final product and a world of knowledge.

    There is no reason you can not do the same thing. Buying quality parts and installing themselves will give you a world of confidence in the unit, not to mention the ability to customize it down the road.

    For the record, RRA makes a fine weapon and I would have no problem handing one to a family member should they need one.

    JD
     
  11. Bighead

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    Rock River makes a good rifle for a good price, and I predict you will be happy with it. The choice you listed appears to have nice options at a good sale price. If you like the options that are included on the rifle then I think its a good choice.

    That said, my normal advice is to spend some time learning about the options that are available in the AR platform rifles, as well as what mission the buyer has for the gun. This will help a buyer decide what they really need / want.

    Things to consider:

    Barrel Twist Rate. Boiled down, faster rates stabilize heavier bullets. Most Rock Rivers run the popular 1/9 twist, but they do offer some barrels in 1/8 and 1/7. I don't know if they have slower twists on some of their varmint barrels, but I wouldn't want slower than 1/9 unless you intend on shooting light bullets (sub 50 grain) for special purpose.

    Chrome lined chamber and bore. Can aid in cleaning, durability, reliability. Some say the improvement is minimal, and the choice is yours.

    5.56 NATO vs. 223 REM chamber. You do not want a .223 Remington chamber unless you are going to load for specifically for that round (for a match rifle for instance). The 5.56 NATO cartridge will not feed reliably in the tighter .223 Remington chamber.

    Barrel length and corresponding gas system. My opinion is that the mid-length gas system is the best mate to the 16 inch barrel. Carbine length systems are more prevalent, and will function fine.
     
  12. Quentin

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    When you look at the M4 Chart (google it) you have to be more critical of RRA. The chart lists about 21 specs/features required of military issue M4s and how 14 manufacturers compare in meeting those specs. As I remember RRA only delivers 5-6 while S&W gives you 14 features for the same money. However if you buy BCM you get all 21 and again for about the same money as RRA.

    When you build your own, with care you can also do well. My build came in at 18, losing points on the 1:9 twist rate (which I wanted so was willing to give up the point) and batch tested barrel re: HP testing and MPI.

    RRA is not junk but I'm just pointing out that with some thought you can do better.
     
  13. pagj17

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    Link to the chart

    OMG DON'T CLICK MEEEE!


    I'd suggest reading before you just jet on down... It' probably the single most helpful link I read before my build.
     
  14. pagj17

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    Lol You're Right in a lot of ways Slow, so I'd like to clarify that I meant most helpful because it explains what each part of the upper does:)
     
  15. Ubergopher

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    I'd have no problem trusting my life or my family's life to a RRA, mine has always gone bang when I pulled the trigger and the only times it's missed paper has been due to operator error.
     
  16. Quentin

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    Slo is certainly right that lower M4 Chart entries most likely will function and not blow up. They aren't junk and they'll probably last a long time. And I'd also rather loan out a DPMS instead of a Daniel Defense or Colt. But still, they're ranked at the bottom because they've cut corners that other manufacturers did not. Let's face it, they do not meet minimum military specifications. DPMS only meets 3 of 21! When buying a new rifle why set your sights so low when for the same money you could buy say a S&W or a BMC. Nobody's trying to hurt anyone's feelings but it can't hurt to be aware of the differences. People new to the AR definitely should study the chart while more experienced folks will know which rules to break.

    Of course if you've already bought, well we've all seen Consumer Reports do a brand new rating of trucks or HDTVs or refrigerators just after we bought - and to our horror found our choice ranked near the bottom. So you live with it and the odds are you'll be ok. But if you're ABOUT to buy a truck or TV you'd scramble to see that issue of CR.

    And I agree that things like parkerizing under the FSB, tapered pins and double heat shields in the stock handguards don't matter that much but you DO want the best bolt carrier group you can get - that's really important. Also, why not demand a milspec receiver extension made of 7075-T6 instead of 6061 aircraft aluminum, M4 feed ramps, an H buffer and better barrel steel?

    No doubt when buying a complete factory built AR some things are out of our control but when building your own - well the M4 Chart is invaluable for selecting parts. I'd say go look at the chart, it's there, it's free and extremely helpful.
     
  17. cpttango30

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    Man my RRA didn't score for crap on that chart. Still shoot in the .2 for 3 shot groups at 100 yards. OMG like slow I must have gotten a good one.

    Find the one you like and go for it.

    With JD and Slos help a monkey with a stick could build one. I am sure I pissed slo off I burned up his pm inbox for weeks then just said the hell with it and bought a RRA PPR.

    Glad I didn't look at that stupid chart before I went and bought mine.

    Are you willing to wait or do you NEED IT RIGHT NOW? If you can wait build it if you are like me and need it now buy it.
     
  18. Jpyle

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    Just the vote of confidence I needed...thanks. :D
     
  19. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Wow, your signature quote really tells it like it is, Jpyle! I've been looking for something like that to pass on to my gun fearing son-in-law. Thanks for sharing it!
     
  20. IGETEVEN

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    I had a RRA AR-15 OPERATORS ELITE. I had no problem with it, what so ever. :cool:

    It functioned well and shot great groups to satisfy me, no matter what upper I put on it.

    Too damn bad, I took it to the lake this past weekend. :(