rock island armory 45 1911a1

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by spencer280, Oct 26, 2008.

  1. spencer280

    spencer280 New Member

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    there are so many people out there talking crap about the ria 45's
    they say it jams when using hole points well i will clear some question that u my have. i have smith and Wesson and rocks. i got my rock about a month ago and i have to tell you the gun is right on the money. very accurate.. i have shoot 30 rounds of hole points 230 grain no jams perfect. i have shot 500 rounds of target shots and no jams this gun fires 100% of the time with no problems. i will stick with this brand. its solid with no play in it. and even tho this gun is assembled in the Philippians don't mean anything the pattens are all the same hell i can take kimber parts colt parts all the 1911a1's are the same gun just diffident names and prices.. the value is all the same a nice solid gun that will not let you down. perfect for a carrying weapon and self protection..
     
  2. dragunovsks

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    Hey, finally someone who likes the RIA 1911. I also have one in .45 and I love it. I have fired pretty close to 2000 rounds through mine so far and it has NEVER jammed, not even with hollow points. It will consume any .45 ammo you put in it. I have fired just about every brand of .45 ammo out there and never had a jam. I also carry mine when I'm out, and while they are a little heavy, it's still very easy to conceal. I'm regularly conceal mine under a t-shirt in the summer and a jacket in the winter.

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  3. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    I've never fired one, so I can't comment on how it fires. It doesn't have some of the features that others have. I'd like to see a beaver tail grip safety and a commander style hammer, as well as a longer, skeletonized trigger. I've never been a fan of the USGI triggers.
     
  4. DuckA

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    Hollow points....
     
  5. BigO01

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    All hollow points are not created equal just because you gun fires brand A just fine doesn't mean it will fire brands C , E and F fine and 30 rounds of anything honestly isn't enough to proclaim them 100% reliable in your gun .

    Some Hollow points like the Hornadys have a smaller diameter hole therefore less of the surface area of the front of the bullet has the sharp edge of a hole than some like the older Speer Lawmen 200 grain JHP's have a very large hole by comparison to the Hornadys , which more area of edge means it has a greater chance that it could catch on any imperfection "Scratch" on your feed ramp or barrel throat .

    Have to agree with Matt those extra feature he mentions are on the Tactical version and come with a whopping price difference of perhaps $50 , I would have spent the extra money myself .
     
  6. bgeddes

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    My bare bones RIA 1911 has launched eveything I've tried. Hole points to hollow points, FMJs, JHPs, the works, sent down range without issue.
     
  7. DuckA

    DuckA New Member

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    Tick.....tick....twitch.....
     
  8. Wild Irish

    Wild Irish New Member

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    +1 I love mine.....no problems whatsoever.
     
  9. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    I ordered an RIA Tactical last week and now I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas.
     
  10. docholiday

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    I have never owned an RIA but I am not opposed to owning one. I bought my PT 1911 a few months back and tweaked it to my taste. Love it so far.
     
  11. Joshua M. Smith

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    I bought the standard GI model with the intention of upgrading as needed.

    I'm a lefty so it got an ambi safety first thing.

    The hammer and grip safety were drawing blood (I'm stubborn and have a couple scars from that) so I fitted a beavertail grip safety.

    Wood grips just didn't cut it, so it went through another design phase. You see, in the summer, I work my retriever quite a bit, and do a lot of fishing. The pistol rides in a Fobus holster under water a lot in the summer. I began looking around at "tough use" 1911 designs, and settled on the MEU pistol (early model).

    So what it ended up with, as a second starting point, was an Ed Brown slide stop, EB beavertail grip safety with no speed bump, Pachmayr grips, Wilson mags, and a few other things. I left the sights stock - I rather like the fine bead they draw. I increased trigger pull weight from 3lbs factory to 7lbs, then slowly brought it down to 4.5-5lbs, where it's perfect for me.

    The Pachmayr grips weren't doing it for me - they didn't provide as much support for the right side paddle as did solid grips, they didn't feel right in my hand, and they didn't help support the plunger tube.

    Radical Concepts provided the grip. These grips are like the Pachmayrs, but much harder rubber and much more aggressive in their grip.

    The ambi safety was changed from STI to Wilson. I just like the Wilson better, and they're easier to cut on and make look good. Thinner paddles for carry is a good thing, I think.

    The MSH moved all over the place, so it got replaced with a Brown MSH.

    I didn't mess with the accuracy; I could already take out Coke cans at 50yds. Plenty good enough for me.

    Here's how it looks at this point:

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    I redid the safety's coloration to look casehardened. I like the character it gives.

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    Same deal with the right side. Just enough safety to ride.

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    I got tired of press checking. The more a gun is messed with throughout the day, the greater the chance of a ND. After discovering my chamber empty ONCE, it became habit to press check before I strapped it on in the morning, and once before bed. I figured a window would be safer.

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    I had a Hydra-Shok hang on the feed ramp when it was totally dry. There were small machine marks under the bluing, which had worn off, so I polished it. Subsequent chamberings have scratched it up a bit, but it feeds as smooth as butter. Also polished is the extractor and breech face.

    Since my sweat has roughly the same PH as HCl, I keep having to reblue the grip safety. The MSH is beginning to look a bit rough as well. I want a new trigger, so I believe it will be getting

    1)EGW trigger. These have an overtravel stop, but not the screw in sort. You file it to fit and call it good. As well, it's longer than this trigger and just feels better.

    2) Stainless MSH due to the sweat issue.

    3) Stainless grip safety, again due to the sweat issue.

    But not for a bit. The trigger comes first.

    As well, I think I'd like a slightly wider right side safety for my left thumb to ride on, so I'm looking for a right side paddle ("high ride" Wilson's calls it). Wilson will not sell me just the paddle, and I do not need a whole new safety, so that leaves me with the option of finding someone who has one aftermarket.

    My opinion of these pistols is this: They function fine from the factory. If I get another, I'll likely carry bob the hammer and radius the grip safety, or (preferably) fit an original 1911, pre-a1, grip safety as they are contoured to the frame. I have some WWII plastic grips laying around here and they'd go on there fine, providing support for the ambi safety I need.

    This pistol has been a gem to work on and shoot, and I've learned quite a bit. It's very user friendly and feels at home in my hand, lending itself to instinctual shooting as well.

    A final thought on these pistols: If anyone besides the US has a right to make the 1911 pattern pistol, it would be the Filipinos. Look at their role in WWII.

    Josh <><
     
  12. docholiday

    docholiday New Member

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    Dang nice attention to details Josh.
     
  13. Joshua M. Smith

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    Thanks, Doc. Came at a price though. I never owned a 1911 before 03/08 or so, and had no idea what I wanted from one.

    I went with conventional wisdom - for example, the Wilson 47D - and found that a lot of the conventional wisdom simply wasn't what I was looking for. In the case of this magazine, it's a 7rnd mag body made to fit 8 rounds, and it began failing early.

    I was sent (anonymously) a 1911 book for armorers and professional operators, and they recommended the standard 47, with 7 rounds. I ordered three and I've had zero problems with any of them.

    Most of the work really is internal though - MIM isn't my thing, so I replaced those. I polished everything, and have a very smooth runner.

    I'd really like to make it into a dark blue like the old S&W revolvers, but the process they use for that required about 600*F bath sustained. I don't have the stuff to do that here.

    Someone turned me on to a cold bluing chemical that will let me rust blue it with the same results as how they would do to muskets - a dark plum color that is very long wearing. From what I'm told, it takes three coats or so, but after that, you get something that looks very nice (I saw his 1911 he did that to) and is very durable.

    Just put the casehardened look onto the trigger at around 7, and made a few improvements (there were gaps that were bugging me). Also had to go out back and shoot it for function. Ran just fine.

    Anyway, I'm getting tired and rambling.

    Thanks again!

    Josh <><
     
  14. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Tinkering is fine, that's how we learn. If you mess with something that you have no experience with, you need to have it inspected by a professional before using it, especially when explosions are involved.

    The information contained herein is the work of an untrained individual and is not endorsed by Firearms Talk or it's moderation staff, administration or owners.
     
  15. Joshua M. Smith

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    Matt,

    I'm trained in gunsmithing. The 1911 was just a new platform to me. I should have been more clear.

    I was also working under the supervision of another gunsmith for most of this time.

    Regardless, I do understand the disclaimer. No problem there.

    Josh <><
     
  16. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    I just don't want to see anyone else hacking on the chamber of their gun in their garage.

    What heat treatment or heat control measures did you use when cutting the metal? What did you use to cut it?
     
  17. Joshua M. Smith

    Joshua M. Smith New Member

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    Needle file, elbow grease, and machine oil. Heat treating was not affected. I don't personally believe in power tools for gunsmithing except for very gross modifications before finishing. (An example would be welding the barrel hood up for a better fit: sink that sucker down into wet sand before welding!)

    That is not part of the chamber; it's the barrel hood. The chamber is further forward.

    Here is an illustration:

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    http://ezine.m1911.org/POPX1445S_frame.htm

    We have this going on two different threads now...

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  18. bgeddes

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    Just bought my second one today. A 3.5" CS, it's even better than my GI. Nicer trigger, Commander hammer, I can not wait to shoot it. Hopefully it will feed, fire, hit, and eject with the same vengeance as my first.

    Pics and report forthcoming.
     
  19. Joshua M. Smith

    Joshua M. Smith New Member

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    Looking forward to it, bgeddes.
     
  20. epwrangler

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    A few questions please....first though I really love the wittness hole idea and plan to do it to my GI RIA. Now how much did you take off of the regular hammer? I haven't yet been bitten but the sharp line on the grip safety caused a small cut that bled. I assume I can radius the edge some and make that not happen again. What did you use to reblacken the edges and hammer after alteration? I am thinking about the Hogue wraparound grips and a longer adjustable trigger. I find the short trigger too short to make me happy.