Roadblocks in learning....aka old dog, new tricks

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by winds-of-change, Dec 10, 2010.

  1. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    This was a question posted by Canebrake in a different discussion. I thought I could be a know-it-all and google the answer and pretend like I know something and maybe learn a little along the way. Here's what happened when I looked it up.

    Well, I googled this question and read the answer. It sort of made sense but not really. This is the roadblock I have whenever I try to understand many of the posts here. I don't always understand the lingo or the abbreviations. It's like talking to a 4 year old about nuclear fusion. The child will listen but be no smarter in the end. I don't know how to get around this problem I have. Do any of you ever feel like sometimes you know so little about something you can't even think of a question to ask? I get all excited and feel like I'm learning something and then I hit this roadblock and get all frustrated and feel so defeated. I'm feeling defeated right now. My friend in Ca who got me interested in guns basically told me several months ago that he couldn't help me any longer and I could learn anything I needed to know by googling and reading. I think he's wrong. Hunter Joe has so kindly offered to help me. I just have to make the trip up to spend an afternoon with him. Maybe I'll get a little confidence then. It is very difficult for me to learn about something I know nothing about just by reading. I need to be shown, do some hands on with guidance. I have never taken my gun apart because I'm afraid I won't be able to get it back together. And there was some warning in the manual about a spring coming off the trigger that may be hard to get back into place. At the gun shop I was told I should never have to take my gun apart to clean it. So far I haven't but it hasn't been shot much, either. I'm kind of feeling down today and feeling like I've bitten off more than I can chew. I'm a little angry towards my friend in Ca who got me interested then left me high and dry. I'm a little frustrated that my learning curve has been almost flat! I live in a pretty rural town and cannot shoot within the city limits. The closest gun range is where I bought my gun, you know, the place that told me I shouldn't ever have to take my gun apart. I missed the sign up for the hunter safety course offered by the park district here in my town. I didn't see it advertised anywhere and the only way I knew it was happening was the sign that said "Hunter safety course today" and an arrow pointing towards the park district building.

    Okay, I'm done whining. Thanks for listening. I'll be better tomorrow.
     
  2. dog2000tj

    dog2000tj New Member

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    Not everyone learns the same way. Some folks can hear a thing and know it. Some can see something and know it. Others need to do it for themselves before they can learn it.

    When you are looking for an answer try finding solutions/answers in different forms. :) Now as for disassembling your gun and cleaning, what's the worst that could happen? So what, you put it back together wrong. So what you lose a spring or pin. It's not the end of the world and most likely you could always get a smith to correct the problem. Why not check out one of our vendors - http://www.gunmats.com/?utm_source=FirearmsTalk&utm_medium=Banner&utm_campaign=FirearmsTalk+Forums

    See if they have a gun mat for your model and pick one up. That way you will have a visual and written description of the parts and assembly.
     
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  3. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    So...........here I am trying to stump the smartest members on the forum with "trivia" and you, a self proclaimed firearms novice, is upset because "I'm feeling defeated right now."

    First, I'm not trying to defeat anyone here, just share knowledge. I know that's not what you meant but it causes me pause. How many other's think this pompous guy is showing off!

    A forum, IMHO, works like this:
    • Someone needs help and posts a query.
    • Several people will reply with the answers that worked for them.
    • This should result in the OP fixing the issue they brought to the forum.
    • BUT......much more has happened beyond the "fix".
    • Should any erroneous information be given, even the quietest of lurkers will speak up to correct the mistake. It is then debated and the correct response is confirmed.
    • Even when there is no correction needed, much more has happened. The viewers that read but don't contribute have been enlightened with the exchange.

    We are here to make the firearms experience enjoyable for all our members, NOT to be judgmental, tease, ridicule or belittle members to make ourselves look smart.

    Don't get me wrong, I'll be the first to crack a joke but not at the expense of a member. (unless they deserve it Shi :p)

    Our success as a community is not the resolve of an issue as stated above, but for all those members that viewed the thread and took some knowledge from it for future use.

    When I start a thread my criteria for success is not the post count but rather the total views.

    WOC, never read something I post and exit without an understanding of the subject. If you don't want to post a question like, WTF was that??, just send me a PM like, WTF was that??!

    I enjoy sharing my experience with the members and when they ask question it provides me feedback where I went wrong in my post.

    I'm not sure what hand gun you have but post a question in the appropriate section and ask "How the hell do I clean this thing? or How do I field strip this puppy?" and I'll bet you get more info than you can handle!

    I really hate to see members frustrated in their search for knowledge.

    Have you tried the FirearmsTalk Acronyms List?

    And PM me with any other suggestions, additions or corrections you would like to see.

    If it ain't easy, it ain't used!
     
  4. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Holy cripes, Cane. It had nothing to do with you or your post. It is more my frustration with my slowness in picking up new concepts. What it boils down to is I need to meet with Hunter Joe and/or sign up for some classes. It's difficult for me to learn without seeing what is explained and doing it under supervision. I feel bad you misunderstood my frustration and my public whining. It was not directed towards you at all. Everyone here has been kind beyond belief and I think I'll be a better SM if I can learn a little more and be able to participate more in the 'gun' aspect of this forum rather than matching wits and just having fun in the non-gun parts of this forum.
     
  5. AusLach

    AusLach New Member

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    Me too Winds, +100!
     
  6. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I guess my frustration today is I wanna run with the big dogs but I'm just a pup and I want 30 years experience in a year. I need to get with an instructor so I can have some sort of basic foundation from which to build greater knowledge. I know myself and I know I'm not going to learn just sitting my butt in front of the computer. It's time to take action for myself rather than whining.


    Cane, I don't think at all you are "a pompous guy showing off". This forum is for all gun enthusiasts, from the very advanced to the very beginners. To keep this forum interesting to all, there has to be articles, trivia, information at every level. Of course some of it will be way over my head and beyond my ability to understand at this point in time. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be posted, of course. This is like a one room school house. There are all different grade levels here. I'm an elementary school kid who gets frustrated I can't understand the calculus class. That doesn't mean the calculus class shouldn't be available to those who "are there". I'm sorry I came off as attacking you and I'm very sorry to have whined publicly.

    I have watched videos on how to take my gun apart and I have read the manual over and over. I just don't want to be carrying my gun to the gun shop in a ziploc bag because I couldn't get it together. I'm know Hunter Joe is more than willing to help me with my gun. It is a GP100, a very basic revolver. I just need to get off my butt, quit whining and start doing something about it.
     
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  7. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    WoC, sometimes us "old dogs" need a refresher in how it was to be a beginner. I, for one, am glad that you are here. I enjoy answering questions, doing a little poking, getting answers to my questions.

    I try to answer in the level of the one asking a question. If someone asks "Can I shoot TMJ in my XDm over my Pact", someone like Cane would know what I am asking. I would not expect you to know (TMJ = trunicated metal jacket, XDm = a Springfield pistol, Pact = a timer used to record shots fired and other functions)

    To me, the only "dumb" question is the one not asked. Others may have the same question. Even though some of us have limited experience, there will always be those who have less. I would bet that we have members with less experience than you.

    Hang in there.

    (Right now you have more experience than me on you brand of revolver).
     
  8. dog2000tj

    dog2000tj New Member

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    You mean to tell me all the pimping he does about his Colt and Magnum Pig aren't showing off? :rolleyes:

    :p
     
  9. Shihan

    Shihan Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Shouldn't quote me on that.
     

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  10. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    WOC don't let your frustration cloud your success. You are running with the big dogs! Just your presence here shows your desire to learn and trust me, venting is part of the learning process.
    Sitting on your butt in front of the computer may not be the best way to learn but it is one way to generate questions. And when they pop up, post them here, we will be glad to help you.


    Don't you dare apologize for this post! It has brought to our attention yet another way to improve our community and for that I thank you.

    I did not consider your post an attack. I think in my haste to respond I didn't give my post enough attention to the wording and for that I'm sorry.

    A Ruger GP100? My God woman, that thing is built like a tank and your gun shop guy is correct it that you do not need to take the revolver apart to clean it.

    A canebrake Mea culpa: I own a total of seven revolvers, one for over 35 years and shot semi-regularly. In my 64 years here on the rock I have NEVER taken a revolver apart! Can I? I'm confident I could, but I don't because I don't need to. I'm comfortable with the mechanical workings getting oiled and cleaned without disassembly. When I sense a need, I will take my revolvers to a smith for a tune-up. My mechanical common-sense approach to revolver maintenance has never let me down. Keep yours clean and don't worry about taking it apart. I'm sure Hunter Joe will show you how to do it and when you do, you will have disassembled and reassembled a revolver one more time that canebrake!
     
  11. NitroxAZ

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    Warning: Shameless FTF Endorsement Ahead - WOC let me just say that you and I are very lucky to have found this forum. I am a member of 2 other forums but only cruise through those for amusement. For real honest non mall ninja stuff, I check here. I am also relatively new to this world and this place has been the best by far in real world help and honest to goodness great people. I have the additional benefit of being in a major metropolitan area with alot of resources for learning. I would suggest that you not only use this great place for the resource it is but also make sure to use your local resources as best you can. Drive up and see Jo for help or make his lazy posterior drive to see you:eek: Bottom line is don't give up as this is a very rewarding passion.
     
  12. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Winds, you add a great deal to this forum. Everybody starts at zero. We all did and you're doing just fine.

    Ask questions, send PM's and always be yourself. Your experience will grow naturally and after a while your knowledge will surprise you. ;)
     
  13. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I wouldn't make Joe drive down here. He's a very busy man and anyway he works at the gun range we're going to be shooting at. All I've found around me so far is a very small gun range associated with the gun shop I bought my gun at and I'm always the only one there when I go and another range that is only open to the public the last Sunday of every month. I have driven to the town Joe lives in several times as I have a girlfriend who lives there. It's a nice, peaceful, scenic drive.

    "Winds, you add a great deal to this forum. Everybody starts at zero. We all did and you're doing just fine."

    Very true. I'm just coming into this about 40 years later than many here. [​IMG]
     
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  14. freefall

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    Winds, I know what you mean. I learn best by having someone far more patient than I taking me by my little hand and saying "This is how this works. Start by...". I haven't seen any but I hear the Jerry Kunhausen videos are Very informative and helpful. I'm planning to buy a couple in the near future.
     
  15. WDB

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    Jack:eek: WTH?

    Wind slow down a bit, take a deep breath. Your not expected to know all, seem honest with wanting to learn just take it step by step. Your not new to this world and expect there are many things it took you time to understand. This is another one of those. Trying to get up to full speed with people that have been doing this all there life in a few months is a fruitless effort.

    Best I can suggest is get some professional training with your firearm, enjoy the expereince and don't expect to understand it all right now. I still consider myself a novice at best as there is always more to learn.
     
  16. Highpower

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    If you can figure out a way to do that and bottle it, let me know cause I want to buy a CASE of it! ;)

    As far as "running with the big dogs", my question would be: to what end? Is your goal to be able to strip a gun down to it's bare frame and reassemble it just for fun? Or just to be able to discuss theory and participate in "shop talk" type conversations? Are you mechanically inclined at all? At what level would you want to be at had you put in that 30 years of gaining experience?

    You have to learn to walk before you can run - right? I'm still a student at the school of hard knocks myself. My fear is by the time I learn how to run, I'll have forgotten how to walk! :eek:
     
  17. freefall

    freefall New Member

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    Or be too stove up to walk like a lot of the rest of us.:rolleyes:
     
  18. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Actually, I am quite mechanically enclined. In my younger years I used to change the oil in my car, I've put in a starter. I can troubleshoot, repair, maintain and replace parts in any analyzer here in the lab where I work and I actually enjoy doing that. And after I replace, repair or maintian these analyzers, I can calibrate them to be sure they're working properly. Yes, I'd say Im pretty mechanically inclined, to say the least. I'd like to be able to be familiar enough with my gun to take it apart and put it back together. I don't think it's difficult and I'm sure, if shown, I would be able to do it easily. Yes, I'd love to talk shop here and know some theory. I'll get there. You're right, HP, I just need to give myself time. There is a instructor at the small range I go to who will give private instruction. I'm just gonna have to suck it up and quit being cheap and pay the money to get some confidence and some foundation in which to build.
     
  19. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Hey, I resemble that statement!

    They see me rollin', they hatin'
     
  20. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    To me the quest for knowledge is life long. I have been shooting for almost 35 years, reloading for most of that time, casting bullets for nearly 30 years, have been to the FBI firearms instructor course, 4 different manufacturers armorer's courses, shot competitively since 1979 and I still have to ask questions anf look stuff up. Trust me, the "big dogs" are often times full of hot air. When one thinks he knows it all, he is undoubtedly a fool.

    Keep up the quest. The information you seek is out there.