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Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Prorebel, Sep 3, 2012.
I prefer my .45 cal hawken
given those choices I prefer a rifle. But it depends a lot on where you are hunting.
A Hawken is a fine rifle.
It depends a lot on gauge, caliber, location, conditions.
I personally prefer rifles, but in a sub 100 yard thick brush environment a 12ga slug might be your best bet.
If hunting reg allow rifles I would go with a rifles because you will get a better knock down with a high power round. Less chance of lost deer.
For me it depends on what season is open I use them all. But would never use a slug gun or muzzle loader over a centerfire rifle. Even hunting thick wooded bottoms Pick a shoot nothing is brush deflection proof.
Ditto what hardluk 1 said.
I have to agree. I allowed really thick brush on where I hunt, the kind where you sometimes have to get on your hands and knees to get through it. Deer love it. I have tried them all. Usually the shots are well under 50 yards. I am disappointed at the strange lack of knockdown from a .50 black powder. They look surprised then they run 100 yards. Unacceptable. I get similar performance from the .308. Only difference is now the hole is on both sides. Equally unacceptable. A brain shot from a 1911 or a 1917 .45 drops them right there. Occasionally I get such performance on a torso shot with a 12 gauge slug. Brennekes which throw parts in different directions inside the animal perform better than the common american hollow slug. The hourglass shaped slugs also sometimes become two projectiles inside the animal and give good knockdown, but the path of the fragmenting projectiles is less predictable and sometimes the fragment goes into the abdominal cavity.
For myself thus far I have been getting 100% instant knockdown with a hand loaded (hot, read Elmer Keith then go up just a little, scary loads) .45 Colt from a modified Winchester 94AE Trapper and 30 yard shots. I drive the Hornady 250 gr. XTP at a much higher velocity than the Hornady recommends. Although I have yet to have the bullet exit from the animal, I also have yet to find/recover a bullet. Everything inside the animal's chest is all goo that can just be poured out but the diaphragm is usually intact. On more than one occasion they just topple over sideways or back flip and plop.
Ive used 308 458socom and 458winmag on deer. Socom goes out with a 350grn softpoint at 2000fps the winmag same bullet at 2500. Never had a deer go more than it can move in a single leap with either round.
308 ive had a runner or two.
Never used a shotgun. The least meat damage is surprisingly the 458 winchester magnum two neat holes vaporized heart and lungs. Socom some meat damage on the exit. 308 i tend to lose quite a bit of meat on the exit side.
Ill prolly just use my winchester model 70 again this year as ive had the most success with it. As in zero failure to one shot stop with no tracking and the least meat loss.
Both weapons are great for deer hunting. Quite often I bring both a rifle and a shotgun out for a days hunt. I watch a field real early with a rifle. Then I get out the shotgun and head into the woods.
Jon-M, Have you tried lighter bullets in 458 for even more velocity with less penetration? I agree that there might be a rifling twist/keyhole issue out past 150 yards or so, but I am thinking that under 100 yards Bambi won't have time to notice a bullet instability.
For you slug throwers give something from Dupleks a try. One of our guys use one last years at 180yards and he said it hit like no slug he had seen before. They have several types of slug . This one throws of the peddles, another one keeps them intact. I will use these one next slug gun season but will stay with my 308 during rifle season. I am use to shooting thru small holes between branchs at distance in the bottoms with it wher you can hear a deer before you see it. Most times if a guy has bad luck with bullet perfroming well on game its ether wrong bullet for the job or bad bullet placement not the size of it.
Let me tell you,a 12 gauge slug at 25 yards will knock the snot out of a deer and drop it right there,but with a rifle you tend to get better accuracy because you're not gonna flinch on a .270,30-30 etc,and your shot placement will be much better.