rifle or shotgun for a first gun

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Crazycastor, Dec 1, 2013.

  1. Crazycastor

    Crazycastor New Member

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    My son is turning twenty in a few days and I am going to get him his first gun. He has shot all my guns and is a pretty good shot. I just can't decide between a rifle or a shotgun. I live in the desert and we have everything from dove to deer out here so I I'm not sure what to get him as his first gun. What would you get a twenty year old as his first gun?
     
  2. E7018Dan

    E7018Dan New Member

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    If he's had some experience with the different operations, why not take him to a shop so he can pick one that feels good and fits him? And as always do some research before you finalize the sale. I would normally say 22lr or maybe a used shotgun 12g or 20g(Remington 870 Mossberg 500 or Winchester 1300).
     

  3. NotMormon

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    If I were the twenty year old, I would want both! What does he seem to enjoy more?
     
  4. DrFootball

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    I agree W/Dan, but I'd ask him what he wanted(within reason). We are hitting the desert this weekend(I live Here Too) to shoot outside. Bought three more Bouncy orange re actives, and I have two spinners as well as plenty of paper targets for the stand... Gotta have an excuse to find cheap 22's and bulk Handgun ammo....and I have some 12 Ga Buck and slugs crying to hit some water targets or a pumpkin or two....
     
  5. therewolf

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    JMHO, get him a pump 12 gauge, either a Rem 870, or Mossberg

    500, something with changeable barrels.

    Inexpensive, versatile, powerful. No doubt not his last

    gun, but a nice start . . .
     
  6. artbrownsr

    artbrownsr Forum Chaplain Lifetime Supporter

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    I'm with the Wolf.
    Shotgun ( my preference is the 870), Jackrabbit, Dove, use slugs for javelin and deer, I would say it's a good start to his collection.
     
  7. Partridge02

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    My first gun was a shotgun so maybe I'm biased, but I say a shotgun. I good solid pump. Like everyone else recommends, 500 or 870. Mine was a 20ga 500 but I was about twelve or thirteen. For his age I would say 12ga.
     
  8. chloeshooter

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    you mentioned doves, that pretty much kills getting a rifle. +1 on the shotgun, Mossberg 500 Remington 870 or for a few dollars more, he could have a Benelli Nova, which is an upgrade from the first two for sure
     
  9. JimRau

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    Did you ask him which he would like?;)
     
  10. eatmydust

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    +1 on the pump gun.

    With today's rifled barrels, topped with decent optics and a good saboted slug, you can reach out beyond 150 yds. An 18" - 20" barrel makes it a good HD/SD gun and a 26" - 28" barrel makes for a good hunting scattergun!

    Hard to beat that versatility!
     
  11. FrontierTCB

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    This is why if I could only chose ONE firearm to own it would be one of my pump shotguns.
     
  12. hardluk1

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    crasy Do you have a dollar amount your looking to spend?? Is it possible to buy 2 bargin long guns with in that dollar amount? Like a basic pump and basic rifle. Are a shotgun combo and a rifled slug barrel an change choke barrel. But if not shotgun season not pratical. If he a well ground shooter load him up and take him to a gun shop and tell him any thing over X dollars you have to come up with now get what firearm you want .
     
  13. fortinsj

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    I'd ask him, but if it's to be a surprise then I'd get a shotgun. Much more versatile and he could use it for anything. I got my Mossy 500 with a 28" barrel brand new two years ago at a dicks sporting goods for $260. With that he can hunt anything, blast clays, and buy a 18.5" barrel for home defense.
     
  14. 7point62

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    Pump 870 20ga with both a smoothbore and a rifled barrel with deer sights. The core-lokt sabot slugs are good for big game. Best of both worlds if price is an issue. The rifled barrels for the 870 are available on-line from Cabelas and probably elsewhere.
     
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  15. John_Deer

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    Mossberg sells combos that have a 24" rifled barrel and a 28" vent rib barrel with a set of accu chokes for the same price as an 870. You also can buy a Maverick 88 for under $200. Then find a used rifled barrel, mossberg 500 barrels fit a Maverick 88. Personally I prefer the wood stock on the Mossberg. Mavericks only come with a synthetic stock and a modified accu choke.

    If you choose to buy a shotgun, regardless of the brand put it together to make sure the rib lines up with the receiver, wrack the slide a few times to make sure the gun doesn't bind up. If a salesman object to you assembling the gun the store let him keep the gun. It is your right as a consumer to make sure you are buying a gun in new condition, not a second with cosmetic damage or defects.

    If you buy a rifle leave it in the store if the sights are cocked over to one side. The sights are bore sighted in the factory. Make sure the stock lines up with the receiver. It is up to you to make sure you are getting a quality product. You can not return a gun if you find defects after the sale. You have to send the gun back to the factory.
     
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  17. DeltaF

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    I'm going to disagree with the consensus here. In the DESERT I would much rather have a rifle than a shotgun because of the longer shots that are much more likely. Pick a caliber that has light weight small game cartridges available as well as ammo that can take down the biggest game you commonly find in your area.
     
  18. bobski

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    choice? no way. be an example setter. you set the pace.
    give him your gun.
    he will take better care of it and respect it.
    then...you go and buy yourself a new one.

    i still use my dads tools to this day. hes been dead for 7 years now. every time i pick up a hammer of his, i thank him in my thoughts.
    call me old school america, but its the way i was taught.
     
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  19. John_Deer

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    I didn't notice that the OP is in the desert. Some areas of the desert are brushy. I killed an elk near the CA/NV border about 50 yards away. I had a great guide who put me in a good position once we spotted the elk. Friends said I was wasting my money on a guide. The guide had spotted the elk the day before I arrived. I would have ended up taking a 300 yard shot on my own.

    You are going to have to get some experience in your area to find out what is best for your area. There isn't much game in the open areas of the desert where everyone goes to ride dirt bikes and dune buggies. Game is on the edges of the desert where the desert turns into forest. You might be able to hunt with sabots. A well made 12 ga sabot has about the same range and power as a 45/70 with a 300 gr flat nose bullet. I have tested winchester XP3 300 gr sabots. They perform just as well as advertised with a 24" rifled barrel. A friend tested the winchester dual bond sabots. He got great results from his tests. We selected winchester products because winchester had a rebate on their premium sabots last year. I have also tested Federal Fusion sabots. They are accurate but they don't have the range of the winchester products we tested.

    You might have to give up the notion of getting by with one gun. You have to make compromises that might not be acceptable with only one gun. For $500 you can get a decent rifle and a shotgun. At 20 he is a grown man who can buy a scope and ammo.
     
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  20. DrFootball

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    Yeah,..My dad left me a few power tools he was found of,..esp. His Miller Falls Power Drill and Recip. Saw...works a lot better then the Ryobi Battery Powered Drill we bought @ Home Depot.