Rifle Caliber Question

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by MattyT, Jul 10, 2013.

  1. MattyT

    MattyT New Member

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    Ok so I have a .270 win Savage that I love but I have probably shot it less than 100-150 times over the past 4 years. Since Ive started reloading about 6 months ago I plan on shooting it alot more since the cost will go down and i can actually shoot better rounds. I like the .270 because it is pretty decent for all aspects, from target practice to coyotes to bigger game. However, I sometimes want a different caliber that might be more "flexible", and that might be a little cheaper to reload, and is much different than the 270. I think the 270 might be a little much for coyotes and hogs and varmints. This might just be an excuse to add another rifle down the road too... My question is this, is the .270 "flexible" enough to be good for varmints and up to average sized deer or would there be another caliber that is much better? I want something that would be much different ballistically than the 270 because I believe it does have a good range of capabilities to it. The calibers Ive often read about and considered are the 30-06, 308, 223, 243 (even though I feel like it is very close to the 270 to justify purchasing), and the 30-30. Thank yall for your help!
     
  2. hardluk1

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    How much varment hunting do you really do?? You have a great very flexable cartidge in the 270 for coyotes to elk with bullet weights from 100gr to 150gr from v-max to a barnes ttsx for larger game when only the best will do . If you deside to make a plinker load lead bullets loaded down to very low power make good close range critter and fun loads. If you deside your going to start controling ground hogs or praire dogs to tree rats then a 17 or 22 cal rimefire to centerfire could be added. It is nice for a hunter to have a back up rifle if your buddys don't carre one when hunting away from home .

    If you just want another rifle the 270 is hard to beat for a great all around hunting cartidge. Buy another or build a custom !! maybe a heavy barreled custom.
     

  3. hiwall

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    I shot a moose with my 270. The bullet passed thru the moose, so there was plenty of penetration. It is over-kill for woodchuck size varmints. Certainly buy another gun! But of your list the 223(or a 22-250) would be the most practical add-on.
     
  4. Tjurgensen

    Tjurgensen New Member

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    What will you mostly be shooting and at what range?
     
  5. MattyT

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    Thanks for the help guys, my range usually stays within 50-150 yards but I would like to start practicing at around 200. Nothing crazy. I guess a .22 caliber gun like a .223/.22-250 would be a smart add on down the road. I had another post on here about .270 reloading. I said that my thoughts were to load very light rounds for small stuff and very heavy rounds for bigger game. Could this work well since the 270 is so flat? A friend of mine said the lighter bullets could result in some rifling issues. How light--heavy could I safely go? Would I notice much difference between the extremes?
     
  6. jpattersonnh

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    O.K. Your .270 post was more towards vermin. Your friend is an idiot. I have no clue as to what he intened to say. Maybe leading? On that note, your bore will collect copper fouling, you can't stop it. The bore will will hit a point at which accuracy will suffer, maybe. Just clean it correctly and you will be fine. The .270 works well with lighter bullets compared w/ what I shoot in other calibers, but it is a .270, not a .223, or .308. You can use it for vermin. Is it over kill? maybe. I'm not versed in .277 bullets since I don't own one, but if you want to spend more on powder to drive a 100gr bullet, then have at it. If the bullets are cheap and it has what you are looking for, why not? I load 6.5x55 w/ 87 and 100gr for vermin. Have 120gr for .308. I am using up 140gr BT .284 in my 7MM rem mag because the have no use for me on real game. I'd pop a coyote if it was in line of sight w/ my 9.3x57 and a 286gr partition if the shot presented itself. Those cost me $1.50 per round reloaded. Don't think you need to stay w/ the crowd. Have fun! JP
     
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  7. hardluk1

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    MattyT heres a good page to give you some ideas but if your already reloading you do need a couple manuals to work with and it will cover the info you need well enough . then you can search for ,say lead bullet loads for light duty plinking and so on.
    http://handloads.com/loaddata/defau...er&Weight=All&type=Rifle&Order=Powder&Source=

    http://www.reloadammo.com/270load.htm

    You need to join but heres a caste bullet load page. http://www.loaddata.com/members/search_detail.cfm?MetallicID=2568

    Follow safe loads given in manuals and you will be fine. safe away from the maximum loads and all is well.
     
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  8. hiwall

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    My experience with my particular 270 is stick to 130 grain bullets for everything. They are by far the most accurate(out of my rifle). I tried several brands/weights from 100 to 150 grain. Obviously your rifle could be a whole different story. An accurate shot is very important with a prairie dog size target and less so with an elk size target. By all means test several bullet weights and brands with your rifle(thats whats great about reloading).
     
  9. Anna_Purna

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    Wouldn't a 130 grain bullet destroy more meat on a large thick skinned heavy boned animal than say a 170 grain?
     
  10. 25-5

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    Don't shoot them in the a$$.
    Destroy heart, or lungs, and some ribs.
     
  11. Anna_Purna

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    Sounds like ....and more! ;)
     
  12. Anna_Purna

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    And wouldn't a bullet that holds together instead of 'blowing up' cause less meat damage? After all, they are the same caliber...... ;)
     
  13. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    You can get different "style" bullets in the same weight. No need for your bullet to blow-up unless that is what you want.
     
  14. Anna_Purna

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    What 'style' of lighter weight bullet is one that wont defragment when hitting heavy boned animals?

    And why wouldn't a heavier one be better, for better penetration, like if it hits a heavy shoulder bone? Or brush?
     
  15. mdauben

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    Many of the modern "premium" hunting rounds (partition, monolithic, bonded core) will provide superior penetration and weight retention over the traditional cup-and-core bullets for lighter cartridges against larger, heavier animals.

    One of the main advantages of the .270 Win over the non-magnum .30 cals is its higher velocity and flatter trajectory. Loading it with heavier bullets defeats this advantage. Heavier isn't always better. If you want heavier bullets without sacrificing velocity and flat trajectory you need to go to something like the. .300 mag and accept the higher cost and greater recoil.

    The .270 Win made its reputation as an effective elk gun decades ago using for the most part 130gr cup-and-core bullets, though. Using modern loads just makes an already effective cartridge that much better.
     
  16. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    Dang, scientists figured out a way to overcome mass and physics! ;)
     
  17. nitestalker

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    The .270 is and has been a good 7MM alternative. It has suffered from less than reliable expansion regardless of the bullets. It has a very limited bullet selection. The old .270 like the 30-30 has been a hunting rifle. Like the 30-30 it is not a target rifle. The .270 was made famous 80 years ago by outdoor writer Jack O'Conner and retains some popularity to this day. :)
    I have no idea what "Over-Kill" is? That was a phrase coined by the anti-hunting movement of the 1960s. The .223 would most likely work for you as an alternative rifle for targets and varmints.:)
     
  18. sniper762

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    the 223 is not in the same class as the 270
     
  19. hiwall

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    That is why it was suggested as a second rifle.
     
  20. nchunt101

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    If you like what you have read about the .243 I would recomend getting one. I have 3 currently and they are the rifles you will see me with both hunting and target shooting. The .243 has proven to be an excellent deer rifle for me ( our NC deer are rather small bodied - dont want to stir the adequate deer round pot) and fairly cheap to shoot. I have also never seen an inaccurate .243