Rifle caliber choice.

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by cpttango30, Dec 9, 2010.

  1. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    We hear all the time here and everywhere. I have a 556 and a 308 because that is going to be the most ammo available in the event of the buttmunching space raindeer zombies come to attack.

    What I want to know is why so many think that way. I am counting on every last drop of 556, 223, 308, and 762 ammo to be sucked up in a matter of minutes or hours at the most along with every last drop of 7.62x54mm and 7.,62x39mm ammo. It is all going to be gone faster than you can shake a stick at. Then I will come in and remove the store of all of its rimfire ammo and ammo for my rifles that are not chambered in such popular calibers.

    What say you? do you think that all that ammo is going to be just sitting on street corners or will it all be gone in a matter of minutes.
     
  2. Logan2302

    Logan2302 New Member

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    I think the age of having a certain rifle or handgun because ammo is cheap and easily accessible is OVER! 556s and 762s, and don't forget about the ole 45 acp, are, well, not cheap or easily found amy more. Like you stated ATF could secure every last round of NATO type ammo in 24 hrs. I bet.

    I noticed this mindset in a recent thread about 'which 5 calibers do you like' or something like that. A lot of people selected the 308 over the 30-06 and the 223 over the 243 or the 'tack driving' 222.
     

  3. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    The first rifle I bought was to deer hunt with. I was in college and needed an affordable rifle in a caliber I could use for a wide variety of game. The main animal I was after was whitetail but I could see myself hunting larger game. I quickly knew I wanted a .30 rifle and shortly after that started the debate between 308 and .30-06. I went with a 30-06 because of it's history and wide variety of loads available. It is very similar to a 308 but there are a few more receipes out there for the handloader in 30-06.

    As far as SHTF....I wasn't thinking about it at the time but now that I consider it I doubt I'll have a hard time finding at 30-06 ammo should that happen. I have since added a 223 to my collections which also helps.
     
  4. SecPro

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    cpttango30 you have a point. This being the mindset of every joe blow I think the stock would be depleted ASAP.
    Calibers not widely used for pda like the 30-06 would be perfect.
     
  5. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    Being able to reload doesn't hurt anything either in a SHTF situation. Not only do I have 200 or so factory loads I have the means to load several hundred more. If you're inside 400yds you are well within range.
     
  6. jpattersonnh

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    Tango, You have butt munchers? With the Ammo issues that have been around the last few years, I was always happy to find .44-40 in stock all but once. Stocking up is fine, but if a bunch of Bad people are targeting my house, there is not much time to reload. Being able to load up 15 rifles + extra mags, and 8 pistols also w/ speed loaders and mags makes more sense. Just grab a new firearm. Every house has 4 sides, so you need people w/ you. To pack it all up and hump it out is a fools venture. Ammo is heavy, real heavy. Your homes walls are pretty fragile when bullets impact. I guess if I were a paranoid person, I would have moved to the Mountains years ago. I may though, but for a different reason.
     
  7. M14sRock

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    I have felt this way for years in regards to commercial ammo.

    But I think most of the people who are talking about it are assuming they can steal, barter for or otherwise "acquire" 5.56 or 7.62 ammo from "occupying troops" that may arrive to keep the peace.
     
  8. Squirrel_Slayer

    Squirrel_Slayer New Member

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    Everyone needs to have as much ammo as they can get their hands on, plan on not being able to get more after they have used what they have on hand, and make each shot count. After that, I hope your Ka-Bar is good and sharp.
     
  9. Poink88

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    Caliber popularity cuts both ways. In the event of "emergency" the supply might get depleted fast but there will still be a lot more of it out there than "exotic" calibers. In SHTF scenario, what do you think are the chances of you finding someone willing to sell, part or barter some .270, .308 or .30-06 vs. .338 Lapua or .300 RUM ammo?

    Popular calibers also tend to be cheaper due to mass production so you can afford to stock more now. ;)

    That is my thinking/reasoning for choosing .308 anyway.
     
  10. Dillinger

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    Great topic Tango and THANK YOU for taking point to get some new topics of interest rolling. *respect*

    My position has been, for the 15 or so years, is to have ammo on hand. I am not talking about enough to plink for a weekend and have 3 or 4 loaded mags in the safe.

    I mean enough to be able to fill every mag you have a few times over and enough to be able to barter or trade with, if you get the chance or need to do it.

    Now, I have 5.56mm and .308 and .45ACP and .22lr in large quantities for the mere reason that they are common, American cartridges.

    In the event of SHTF, like Katrina, and you need to defend your own for two weeks, three weeks, you are not going to need a ton of ammo. You are going to need food, water and the meds you take every day.

    No one ever talks about that, do they?

    I take a med ( Lisinopril ) every day to keep my BP under control. Because of my medical plan, I can safely order 90 pills at a time from a mail order plan and each time I syphon a few off and put them in a very small Pelican 1040 case. I probably only have about 25 or 30 in there, but that is 25 or 30 I don't have to worry about "when/if" happens. You know?

    Now, as for the ammo argument where we started:

    Let's go with the Bureau of Oppression scoops up every single American made round on the planet.

    1) - They have to store it all somewhere.

    2) - All there troops are not going to live through every encounter.

    I'm sorry, but if History has shown anything, supply lines can be VERY easily compromised and no matter how great your plan, if your supplies get cut off, you be effed.

    Don't believe me? Google a guy by the name of Rommel. :rolleyes:

    The Bureau of Oppression isn't going to have a battalion protecting every ammo depot. And they aren't going to remember to sweep and clear every single police station, National Guard station or armory, every sporting goods store, "redneck" equipment establishment.

    There are going to be gaps.

    Stay Frosty. Keep yours close. Take care of "your AO" until such time that is time to extend it for protection of those listed above and don't be afraid to keep a few members of the FTF core close in your head and heart, because you know those snake eaters will have your back & they will bring the hardware. ;)

    Thanks for the topic Tango! I mean that brother.

    JD
     
  11. cpttango30

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    Great point on the meds JD. I think we can move that over to the SHTF Area.

    How many people on just this board alone own at least 1 223/556 or 308/762?

    If you think about it. That ammo is going to be GONE in a matter of no time.

    Of course you can just wait for people to starve to death then go in and take what they left.
     
  12. TXnorton

    TXnorton New Member

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    If the extreme SHTF scenario ever happens is a really big way (which I hope is very unlikely), I do not think that you should plan on being able to source ammunition in any dependable fashion. So my philosophy is to have 1) numerous weapon/caliber options, and 2) lots of ammo for each. For example:

    5.56/.223: 2 x AR-15’s and over 2K in ammo
    7.62 x 39 1 x AK and 2K in ammo
    .30-06 4 x Milsurps + 1 hunting rifle, 1K in ammo
    7.62 x 51/.308 One M1A and 1K in ammo, I need another weapon in .308
    .30 carbine 1 carbine + 600 rounds

    Then if necessary fall back on others:

    1 Mosin-Nagant + 400 rounds
    1 SMLE + 200 rounds
    1 K98k + 200 rounds
    6.5 Jap + 100 rounds

    2 x .45 Autos and + 600 rounds
    2 x 9mm Autos + 800 rounds
    Various other pistols and ammo

    3 x 12 gauges + 500 rounds
    4 x .22’s + 1K rounds

    When all else runs out, I can break out the black powder guns!

    I remember a Robert Heinlein post apocalypse Sci-Fi novel I read back in my teenage years where the barter currency of choice was .22 LR cartridges. I guess I should stock on a few more cases of .22.
     
  13. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    TX I think you hit on something here.

    Just like your investment portfolio your weapons portfolio needs to be diversified.

    But know that if you do this there are some calibers that are much more available now and you should have the most of them.

    I don't agree with trading ammo. Ammo is safety and can feed you if it has to come to that. If you trade it for food your then out food and ammo in a few days.
     
  14. Ronbo

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    I have both .223 and .308, but for different reasons. First is familiarity. I am former military, so these calibers ring a bell, so to speak. The second reason is i want to hunt for food, in varying animal sizes and at varying ranges. Third, i like accurate rifles and these two calibers are widely available in modern firearms with great accuracy out of the box...see other thread.

    Finally, and most importantly, when my son returns from Kuwait next year we can do the shooting sports together with our rifles that share both a common heritage and that "ring a bell" for both of us. It's no secret that Military members often buy civilian equivalents of their favorite guns. In my case, exact rifle copies aren't important but the calibers and their ballistics are. For my son, a duplicate is important.

    SHTF was not even a consideration in my choice of calibers, or shotgun...which is the same 12 ga Ithaca model 37 i had as a kid back in western New York (south of Buffalo in the potato country)...with some slight modification. My only personal .22 is my old Remington model 581 from the same era. I do have a couple of modern synthetic stock rifles for other things, like training my wife, etc.

    Cost and local availability of ammo was considered, but not much, aside from the coincidence that the .223 is dirt cheap to shoot a lot and the .308 isn't that far behind, especially with reloading. Both calibers are great and stand on their own merits as far as I'm concerned. For me, if anything gets close enough to know I'm even shooting at it.....it must be my time to go.

    It's very interesting to me to read the different perspectives. Awesome thread.
     
  15. M14sRock

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    Man, if I tried to use a gun to train my wife she would kill me in my sleep. :p
     
  16. jpattersonnh

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    OK, how much was the last box of .308 you bought. I just picked up 2 boxes of Prvi 196gr 8x57. I need more brass, and since the price was VG I bought.
    $12.95 each. That works out almost cheaper then I can reload for.
    As far as sell, barter with someone that needs ammo. If it were a friend, I would give it to them, and a rifle if they needed it. If it were a like minded person, I'd do the same. As people, we would still have to work together, that is the key to survival. I still keep a good stash of .22lr subsonics, no noise.
    .22 is very light, and pretty darn effective at 50 yards.
     
  17. Ronbo

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    Check Cabela's for herter's ammo (tula in a yellow box). Tula .308 ammo is running about $8-9 per box of 20 if you buy online in quantity from various places, and some have cases of 500 or 1000 for decent price/round. .223 is in the $4-5 range at wal Mart for boxes of 20 55 gr fmj tula ammo. Cabela's has both calibers in bulk with ammo boxes in those larger quantities. Our Wal Mart has Federal maroon box for $13/box. Not terrible for .308.
     
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  18. jpattersonnh

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    It is also steel cased junk. Did you read this??
    http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f15/tulammo-35281/

    I have some older Steel cased .223 Russian ammo, factory 60 stamped that I bought when Clinton was elected. Since I still have it, you can draw your own conclusion. I have plenty of 7.62x51.
     
  19. M14sRock

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    Ammoman has the German DAG 7.62x51 for around that price delivered. Good, high quality NATO ammo.
     
  20. Poink88

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    3 RADWAY GREEN .308 N/C 160RDS/CAN $69.00 $207.00

    So that is $207.00 for 480 rounds in 3 ammo cans. I don't reload (yet) but these seems like descent deal to me.

    I think people are getting lost from the original question of the OP....which is the reason for choosing a popular caliber than the more obscure ones (if I understood him correctly). The obscure ones are harder to find now and I believe would even more so when the SHTF. Again JMHO.
     
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