Revolver vs. Semi auto for carry.

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by Gojubrian, May 25, 2010.

  1. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    Why Carry A Revolver?

    Revolvers are not simpler mechanically than any semi-auto I can think of. It's just that their guts are hidden inside the frame and you don't normally see them, so they get accused of being simpler. Truth is, they have mroe parts, and more of them move than in semi autos.

    For comparison, a 1911 has 46 standard parts Numrich Gun Parts Corp. - The World's Largest Supplier of Firearms Parts and Accessories

    A smith and wesson 686 has 78 Numrich Gun Parts Corp. - The World's Largest Supplier of Firearms Parts and Accessories

    Even the old smith and wesson 1917 model had a total of 53 parts Numrich Gun Parts Corp. - The World's Largest Supplier of Firearms Parts and Accessories

    I can't find the resource now, but I remember reading in either one of Applegate or Fairbairn's books that they saw far more revolvers break during their time in shanghai than semi-autos.
     
  2. Missileman

    Missileman New Member

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    Easy answer: Semi-auto primary, revolver as a BUG. ;)
     

  3. NGIB

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    The semi auto has 2 advantages I see as a carry gun. The first is that they are thinner and easier to conceal. While there are smallish revolvers, the cylinder always adds width to the gun. The second is that given the same relative "horsepower" of ammo - it's easier to shoot a semi auto well. In a semi auto, the design (moving slide/recoil spring) mechanically absorbs absorbs some of the inherent recoil - a revolver does not have this design feature.

    The trigger could be considered a third advantage although I've shot some S&W K/L frames with really great triggers. As far as reliability, I see every gun as a mechanical contraption that could possibly fail so it's a moot point...
     
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  4. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    I believe some tests were done firing a handgun while in the pocket of a jacket or something. Semi-autos jammed for the most part, while concealed hammered revolvers did not. Dress, situation, other things could dictate what is best carried. Sometimes, the old single action revolver is better than the latest semi-auto. Again, it is the situation you put yourself into.
     
  5. Biohazurd

    Biohazurd New Member

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    Nail on the head missile, nail on the head...
     
  6. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    The advantage I see with a revolver is when you have a "dud" round in a revolver, you can pull the trigger again and hit another round. Every auto there is has to be cleared before attempting to fire again. Yes there are some pistols that can be struck again in double action. But if the round is bad, your done until you stip a fresh round from the mag.
     
  7. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Doesn't the guide rod on the XD prevent this, mostly?
     
  8. ninjatoth

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    The pistol is a better gun to have in a gunfight with multiple attackers,which is why police use them now,but honestly,as a normal everyday person,you are more likley to be grabbed if you are a woman,or attacked off guard,and a revolver that presents itself instantly and can fire with no racking could save your life.
     
  9. canebrake

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    Mateba model 6 Unica Auto Revolver

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  10. vezpa

    vezpa New Member

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    Revolvers can't jamb. When one round doesn't go off you click to the next. With an auto you pray you don't get a jamb.

    For those who think revolvers are too big or heavy go pick up a LCR ot S&W model 442.

    oh yea and many people find it hard to rack the slide of an auto. Ask my mom. :rolleyes:
     
  11. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Cool... It's like a miniaturized, hand-held mini-gun. :D


    Miniaturized, mini-gun? :confused:
     
  12. WannaGator

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    Why not carry both (a Glock 29 or 30 with a snubby .357 Magnum) ?
     
  13. kcolg

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    I think that if you carry a pistol,you have to be more disciplined than if you carry a revolver,and by this I mean you have to be consistent and be sure on your pistol`s status:
    Bullet in chamber, safety engaged or not if the pistol has one, in a stressful situation you have more chances of pulling the trigger and getting no shot with a pistol ,and in that frame of mind you can get confussed on what's wrong with the gun ,with a revolver, unless it`s unloaded of course,it`s most likely going to fire.
    It happened to me more times than I will like to admit, that I found out that I had no bullet in chamber when I thought I had one...Thank God ,this never happened in a situation where I needed to actually fire the gun,but I can think of the consequences if I had to use it ,so now I got very disciplined on checking on the pistol status even at home,
    And lately ,I `ve been using more and more a revolver as my "first response" if needed gun,for all of those reasons.
     
  14. gregs887

    gregs887 New Member

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    That thing looks like something out of Judge Dredd
     
  15. luckyg

    luckyg New Member

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    Actually, revolvers can "jam".
    I've seen more than one revolver experience cylinder lock-up.
    There are quite a few things that can cause the cylinder to lock-up:
    Bent ejector rod, loose ejector rod, bullet that has jumped crimp, debris between the cylinder and the frame, debris under the ejector star.

    It IS rare.
    But it does happen.
    And when a revolver does jam, you're not going to fix the problem with a quick failure drill like you would with an autoloader.
    It's going to be out of the fight for a long time.
     
  16. Fleetman

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    I guess I'm not understanding some logic here.....why would ANYONE carry a pistol with an empty chamber? I ALWAYS check for a loaded chamber before holstering. My dad, former lifer in the military, advocates carrying with an empty chamber but I cannot and will not carry an "empty" firearm. Most of my carry guns have view ports for the chamber but the one's that don't, get the Patrick Sweeney (of G&A fame) method....load a full mag, rack slide, remove mag and if a round is missing, then it's in the chamber. I then top off the mag.

    I hear arguments all the time concerning cocked and locked 1911's....a quality, well-maintained 1911 is not going to magically "unsafe" itself and I make a habit of discreetly verifying the safety is on at all times. If I can't trust my C & L'ed 1911 to remain on-safe, then I am not going to carry it nor do I have any business carrying it. Cocking a hammer or, worse, having to rack a slide in an emergency is a sure way to lose a fight.

    DAO pistols are probably the best of all worlds for a lot of people...if they're capable of overcoming the springs. It never ceases to amaze me the number of people purchasing a, insert brand here, pistol and then struggling to work the slide. I've even heard salesmen tell them "you only need to work the slide when you load it". My gf has a lot of trouble racking slides on all but .22LR's and she finally settled on a S&W 360 J-frame as a carry gun instead of subjecting herself to the frustration and multiple attempts at racking a slide (besides, she's broken enough nails to know what works for her). She is a very capable shooter but also recognizes her limitations.

    To each their own I suppose but if someone is going to use a firearm for SD, they had better be intimately familiar and comfortable not only using it, but "working" it as well.

    Not long ago at Thunder Range in Conroe Texas, I saw two guys struggling to open a S&W 686 and I asked what the issue was and they replied it was jammed. I looked at it and it opened right up, unloaded it and closed it and dry-fired a few times. Come to find out, they were not pushing the cylinder latch but trying to pull it to the rear.....multiple times! Luckily, the revolver jammed, however, since the barrel was clogged with dirt, lint, and other assorted debris....I think I even pushed a small pebble through it when clearing it. Seems they dropped it in the dirt once while trying to figure out how to open it!
     
  17. Thebiker

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    I carry according to situation, but for CC it will usually be a pistol, although I have never felt under-dresssed with a 357 on my hip.

    I have an extreme fondness for Sigs: used to carry a P245, now carry a P239 and just ordered a P229. All DA/SA with a de-cocker and a hot one in the chamber. No safety, no fumbling about: aim (or point if the BG is close) and fire.

    I can't see losing time by having to rack the slide to be ready to go (excuse me Mr.BG while I get my gun ready). That's just my approach and it the right one for ME. Whatever someone else is comfortable with is what is right for them.
     
  18. diggsbakes

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    I guess I'd have to label the entire question of "Carry a Revolver or a Pistol?" as a total newbie dilemma.

    If you've shot enough of both to know the feel of the action, cycle speed, point-ability/target acquisition, reliability and speed of reload, then one should be able to carry either with out any anxiety.

    If you know your gun, then you know its capabilities and overall need.

    Sometimes I carry a High-cap pistol with multiple spare mags. If I feel the need.

    Most of the time I carry a revolver with speed-loaders. That's what I'm comfortable with.

    All the time I have a BUG. Could be one or the other. ;)

    Learn both, shoot both, own both and carry both. What's the fun in being one-dimensional?
     
  19. M14sRock

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    Spot on, LuckyG. But it is not actually that rare.

    DA Revolvers are susceptible to all sorts of problems, including but not limited to those you have mentioned.

    I have seen revolvers stop because of unburned powder under the ejector star. I have seen them stop because of unburned powder under the crane. I have seen them fail because of pocket lint in the cylinder stop notches, bent rods, sprung cranes, broken hands, burred stars, and many other issues.

    Anyone who thinks revolvers are more reliable than high quality semi autos has not used revolvers enough. A very open design with many nooks and crannies.

    Do a sandbox test with any revolver and see for yourself.
     
  20. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    I shudder to think... :eek: