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Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by DickTheNickhead, Jul 2, 2013.
Les Baer National Match boot carrier group...
Les Baer purchases his BCGs from other Manufacturers.(edited)
I looked up LB and apparently he has his own Manufacturing Facility, so I guess he now makes BCGs.
Seeing as this is a National Match BCG, it's probably(ONLY) for a 223 barrel Rifle, and Bolt won't have the MPI or HPT markings, which has been properly treated for usage with 5.56 if this is type of Rifle you have---even if it can shoot 223.
The Bolt I looked up said the Bolt was from 8620 Steel. Don't know if this is also for the Nichel Boron stuff as this is only a Coating.
That's the thing...I can't find a write up on it anywhere.
Not even on their website. I even googled the patent #..
I have a 5.56 upper and barrel. Will that be a problem?
Should I ONLY shoot .223?!
Apparently, you wrote while I was "editing" my post.
I found some regular BCG's from LB, and it said that Les Bear has his own Manufacturing Facility to keep tolerances tight. He's making BCGs now?
Yes it will work, but the Regular Bolts I saw, said they were made from 8620 Steel. I can't vouch for the Nickel Boron Bolt.
personally dont have a high opinion of les baer AR15.
if your looking for a target grade go RRA or White Oak
So I have a 5.56 upper and a 5.56 barrel.
But the bolt is only made to shoot .223???
So I CAN'T shoot 5.56?
Sorry, I'm new to this whole thing...
Thanks for all the help
no such thing as a 223 only bolt. sometimes poorly made and high quality bolts will sheer a lug off. it happens on any firearm from ak47 to M60 to springfield 1903 parts failure does happen. it gives rise to such things when someone is using a lesser quality bolt something happens and the internet gets flooded with misinformation.
I doubt the BCG is .223 only, but maybe you could send an e-mail or something to LB customer service to be sure.
this is the gold standard atm. http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-...Auto-M16-p/bcm bolt carrier group auto mp.htm
they are worth the effort to get one. second in line are the RRA bcg. got 3 of those in different builds one is being used in a 458 socom...
OP, this is the point I was making in your other thread. Look at the link above. BCM sells a BCG you don't have to worry about and they're good about providing detailed specs. External coatings aren't what you're after, you should be looking at specs that matter. I don't know if the Les Baer is a turd but it is mystery meat.
Well phuck it...I'm going with the les Baer because its the only one I can find in stock...
And although I know the finish doesn't make the bolt carrier, I want a chrome or nickel boron one for easier cleaning...
Anyway, I can't find much else in stock and the BCG is the ONLY piece I need to complete my build. I just want to friggin shoot already!
Have you checked gunbroker? If you can be patient you may score one reasonably.
Well you're passing up good deals on BCGs. Just yesterday this one was $150 with a charging handle and it was well discussed in the Deals thread. It's back up to normal price now but is in stock. BTW the WMD you were looking at looks better than the Les Baer.
I have been in Les Baer's facility. I have spoke to the man. There is no way that this bcg is of questionable quality. I do not own one myself but I have seen the attention to detail that comes with the Les Baer name. I do know that with that name comes a huge price and with that being said, the BCM is a great value with high quality.
Yeah, I did a lot of googling on their BCG and everyone only speaks really highly of it...except for its high price tag.
Every claims it to be top notch.
the reason the bcm are a bit more is because they dont do batch testing like everyone else does. each individual bolt is tested and mpi inspected. that takes time and manpower. that means its a bit more.
if you get a bcm you know there arent micro cracks in the bolt. batch tested means, if they are tested at all, can be anything from every other bolt to 1 in 10 or 1 in 100 or 1 in 1000 or worse.
i would go with a chromed one rather than a nickel boron. chrome doesnt tend to flake off like the nickel boron can under certain instances.
of course this is just my opinion.
Though Les Baer is known for many fine firearms I don't see anything special about their ARs.
Quentin- I have not been able to shoot any of his ar's so you could be right. I can only speak to the passion of the man when talking to him about his products and the fit and finish of the handguns I have seen while in his shop.
Now everyone I know says BCM makes "the best" BCG's. People say they are the "only way to go" and that if a BCG is not MPI'ed and HP tested it is potentially gonna fail. I think some of this is valid and some is not, MPI can find surface fractures but does not find internal problems. I'm not sure of the process for HP testing, I'm sure someone here knows the ins and outs of it and what it finds.
All in all I think BCM is probably the way to go when you can get them. Personally, I think that BCM offers the best quality vs. price and I would have a hard time spending more on a potentially inferior product.
That being said I'm perfectly happy with my stock RRA BCG
I think Les Baer got into ARs mainly to sell to his loyalists - the type of person who loves his 1911 so naturally thinks LB can do no wrong. I really don't know how good their AR is today but it got off to a shaky start. Also, for half the price you can get BCM and maybe Daniel Defense. Or pay the same or a little more for Noveske or KAC. Those brands are sure things and the LB AR is not. I haven't checked lately but their specs were hard to come by a couple years ago.
And the backwards castle nut fiasco a few years ago is legendary. When people called CS asking why theirs was on backwards, instead of admitting it was a mistake LB came up with a cock&bull story that some SWAT teams requested it that way, so operators wouldn't cut their fingers on sharp edges! And I've read complaints about receivers ground down to fit better leaving lots of shiny metal exposed.
Anyway, I'd look further for a BCG.