Retrieving guns from the Quarry

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by MobileMarine, Jan 7, 2012.

  1. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    OK so here is the situation . Some very close friends purchased a 50acre rock quarry that flooded in back in the day . The town purchased it and used it for a water supply . They sold it recently due to the fact it cost them so much for crime investigations when ever someone dumped a body or car . There are still motorcycles , cranes ect ect , There is really no shallow spots as it immediately drops to 60-70ft and goes to over 115ft of almost crystal clear water . You would almost be safe in guaranteeing that there are guns , knives , maybe some safes and other cool items on the bottom . Now the current owner '' friend '' is a state patrol , other than legal and moral issues of what to do with a gun if we do find any ,I wonder what the possibilty is of getting them working again ?
    Say its a late model handgun with polymer frame , whats it going to need , maybe a barrel , some springs ,a good cleaning ? Im thinking if its deep enough no too much O2 is getting to it ? Maybe just turn them in but If I find a 1928 thompson I cant promise anything :D If its an Ak than we should just be able to hit it few times and drop in some fresh rounds ;)
    You also gotta think , what is the possiblity of them matching a gun that has been under for so long with a crime ? Ballistics would be worthless , A stolen gun with the number still intact could be traced but is the owner going to really want it back ? Im hoping the motorcycle is 1930 Indian or something , maybe a pan head harley
    What would you guys do ? Take it on a case by case ?
     
  2. dragunovsks

    dragunovsks New Member

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    I work in a quarry and id say anything you pull out of that water isnt gonna be worth anything. Theres more than likely 6 or 8 feet of powdery lime silt on the bottom covering anything down there. Theres two ways to get down there, the first being diving down to take a look but with old heavy equipment on the bottom this can be dangerous.

    The other way would be to drain it, it would take a hell of a pump. We have a pump at work that is a 10 inch i think, it has a 6 cylinder deisel engine on it. It would take a pump like this but your buddy better be rich cause deisel fuel isnt cheap and it would take awhile to pump the pit dry. Also you would run into invironmental issues because you would have to have somewhere to pump the water and you cant just pump quarry water into a river without having it tested first, which isnt cheap either.

    If people have used it for an illegal dumping ground then you might not want to know whats down there.

    My best friends uncle owned an old quarry complete with yard, processing plant and underground mines and it was the best place to ride atvs and shoot guns.
     
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  3. Jpyle

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    Unless you are certain that there is a valuable antique in the water, my opinion is that the rewards simply don't justify the risk. 100'+ diving is extremely dangerous in clear open water and requires special training, equipment and certification. Doing it in a quarry where you have no clue what is on the bottom is almost suicidal. While the top 30-40 feet of water may appear clear, the bottom layer is almost certainly a mix of organic matter, silt, toxic sludge and other murkiness. Forraging around in the dark in an environment that may also contain old rusted mining equipment, refrigerators, cars and other misc junk that has been dumped in the water is well...risky. JMHO
     
  4. JTJ

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    1; Scan the bottom with a good depth sounder from a boat.
    2; Lower a video camera with lights.
    3; Lower a thermometer.
    This will give you some clues as to what the conditions are before anyone risks a dive. Cabela's and Bass Pro carry the above items. With a video and grapple, you may not even have to dive.
     
  5. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    We have heard all sorts of stories about whats in there . some say there is a crane , some say not , how the hell do you miss a crane ? It was a granite quarry , bluffs on one side and a deep beech on the other with submerged timber . There is quite a few dangerous spots out there , we do most swimming off the pontoon boat . Divers say its clear at the bottom but its too cold to stay there long .
    If no one can dive it , im working on a small remote submersible , I have wanted to drag a large magnet at the quarry and around some bridges around here . magnetometers are too high either . I have scanned the quarry with sonar and the returns are red solid with not much if any silt in most spots . Draining it would be near impossible Ill get some good pics tomar when i go back out there.
     
  6. partdeux

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    115' is easy enough to dive. The only thing that might work is to immediately submerse the firearm in HOT oil, literally out of the crank case type oil. Odds are it will be rusted beyond recovery, and if it's not... there's a reason it's at the bottom of the quarry.
     
  7. Rex in OTZ

    Rex in OTZ Well-Known Member

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    Magnet fishing

    The most likely thing you will recover is old steel beer cans and furniture and appliances like washing machine or cooking range & refrigerators the least likely thing you may recover is a gun and then it'd be a gun shaped piece of rust.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxudbQK_UNU]Magnet Fishing & Metal Detecting Holland, PART 3 , German Ammo WW2 - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HmG09gioJI&feature=related[/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCRqM4GEKuw&feature=related]fishing by neodymium magnet! the report... in HD - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeOahu1M4wE&feature=related[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hun5fIuMjZo&feature=related[/ame]
     

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  8. ktmboyz

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    I would love to dive that.. Just to see what is at the bottom.. Any diver with AOW cert is good to 120' at that depth you will have limited time but would sure be worth a look around.
     
  9. MobileMarine

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    Those last two guns should be ok with some break free , and a few dollars on midway or cheaper than dirt . Best hope would be a glock or a stainless , it looks like everyone was too lazy to dump in the quarry most of the fridges are by the path
    I keep finding man holes leading to underground tanks or compartments with the bobcat , one had a freakin trash can lid covering it ! Damn fine place to dump a body , we never knew they were there , found 2 today after clearing the trees and brush that had been growing on top of them . If yall dont hear from me in a few days you know where to look
     
  10. trip286

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    Wait, you found bodies?
     
  11. unclebear

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    this hole idea is pretty damn cool I'll have to try it some time.
     
  12. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    All you need is a sponge. REALLY big sponge. Costco or Price Club!
     
  13. pagj17

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    I think... I hope... he means he found two man holes he didn't know about.
     
  14. gunnut07

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    I'm thinking a crane with an electromagnet lower it down till it stops or you run out of line and throw the switch and see what you bring to the surface.
     
  15. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    No RECENT bodies , last one had floated up in a 55gal drum , it cost the city so much for the investigation of a dead drug dealer , killed by other drug dealers that they said they hell with it and sold it to my friends . I did catch some kids down there yesterday bumping the buoys :D , she was a fine ecu girl ;) . I did let them finish before I busted their bubble so im not that mean
     
  16. trip286

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    Every security job I've had (military and private) that was my favorite part of the job. I'd bust them just for the fun of it. Yeah, I'm wrong like that.
     
  17. notdku

    notdku Administrator Staff Member

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    I'd love to see some pics.
     
  18. pagj17

    pagj17 New Member

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    Of the guns or the kids:p
     
  19. texaswoodworker

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    ROFMAO thats funny! Sounds like this place is one big mess. Let us know if you find any guns, (or just as likely) bodies. :D
     
  20. Gonzilla

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    You are a kind man. As a security guard on Hilton Head, this happened all the time. Thankfully, was was before Viagra, and the wait time was mercifully short...