Restaurant Security Glad That Customer Needed A Handgun To Buy A Cheeseburger

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by YihChauChang, Jun 23, 2011.

  1. YihChauChang

    YihChauChang New Member

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  2. Cory2

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    The state of gunlaws in California is a sad one indeed.
     

  3. opaww

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    Another good piece...keep them comming
     
  4. boatme98

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    Link didn't work for me.
     
  5. JonM

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    Thanks yih!! That is a truly inspiring article.
     
  6. Yunus

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    This seems to go against a lot of what I have read about carry on this board. One of the examples was a guy who tags along with a security guard from Denny's to detain a person for allegedly leaving without paying. From the posts I have read the consensus among CCW carriers is that they are not the police and only carrying for self defense, which is clearly not the case in the example in the article.

    Are the reasons for open carry different than those for concealed?

    If you do carry, do you consider yourself to be sudo police authorized to use your weapon to assist in detaining people who are clearly not a direct and immediate threat?
     
  7. dnthmn2004

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    The actions of Hacopian are questionable. Borderline vigilante. Would have been much different if the suspect was carrying a weapon, but you can't go playing 'cops and robbers' especially for some guy trying to bail on a $10 bill. This situation is not one that would require defensive use of a firearm.

    What the heck kind of Denny's needs to hire security? :confused:
     
  8. opaww

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    The guy asked the security guard if he needed assistance in the apprehension of the perps. not tagged along hoping for action. When the security guard said yes then he retrieved his handgun and gave assistance but not until then.

    As far as it being vigilantly stuff, you need to think about if you are carrying and you come across a rape in progress, Will you walk on by or try and stop the crime in progress? Even at the point of drawing your handgun to stop it. What if it is a child abduction is in progress at a school bus stop? Will you let it happen or try and stop it?

    Is that vigilantism or is that a citizen stopping crime?
     
  9. Car54

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    Totally different situations. Abduction, rapes, etc. are felonies where serious harm or death are possible, and are punishable by a max of life in prison.

    Fail to pay a bill or simple assault are a max of 90 days, a misdemeanor, which in no way should a gun have been involved. Other than being bullied and pushed around there was no indication of serious harm to anyone. This was a police matter to handle.
     
  10. opaww

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    Crime is still crime. Should the young lady in Texas who just yesterday jumped on top of a car to try and stop 3 men from getting away after they walked out of walmart steeling cases of beer be considered a vigilantly?

    I think he should of only used only the force to equal the force being applied but he must of felt the need to use more force.
     
  11. Yunus

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    This guy says that his life could be threatened because he is aware the suspect just assaulted the manager inside. Why did he wait until the suspect was outside to act? He would have been more justified in my mind had he acted when the manager was being attacked. I firmly believe you should act in defense of yourself or in the defense of others. But this man decided he would allow the manager to be physically attacked while he left with another man to chase down a guy who didn't pay his Denny's bill?

    Something doesn't add up in this story.


    Crime is not crime. I'd be pretty pissed if someone drew their gun on me for breaking a copyright law. A public showing of a movie through use of a rented DVD. It's punishable by up to a $250,000 fine and 5 years in jail. But I would take issue with anyone drawing their gun to detain the person committing this crime or even detaining them at all.
     
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  12. VXASUXV

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    Thanks for sharing this article. The well written article made for an interesting read.
     
  13. Sonnypie

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    Maybe the guy was 100 pounds bigger than him. :confused:
    Apparently the Ontario Police saw no reason to detain Hacopian.
    And when seconds count (robbery and assault), the police were only 10 minutes away.
    I love how arm chair quarterbacks yak the day after. :rolleyes:
    One has to wonder why the police report is being suppressed by the police. Maybe they are still investigating the incident?

    Just sayin....
     
  14. Cory2

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    He did not draw his firearm until the perp was alledgedly running directly at him. As you all know in this forum, it takes no time at all for someone to close considerable distance with you. According to the article he had the firearm on his person already and simply asked if the security gaurd needed/wanted assistance with nabbing the guy that ran. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion, I've seen hordes of people chase a person out of a resturaunt who left without paying and none of them were employees or cops. The bill got payed.

    In this situation Hacopian had a man who he had just witnessed shouting and assaulting someone else charging him. He apparently drew his firearm in fear of serious bodily harm or death and the police saw it that way as well. Had he not done anything what do you think would have happened to the criminal? Probably nothing, the police would have put a BOLO out and most likely nothing would have happened. 10 minutes is a long time for someone to run, and I would wager the only reason the police showed up that fast was because a gun was involved.
     
  15. orangello

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    It may be a tough call on whether or not he needed the firearm, but it almost certainly convinced the guy bailing on his bill to stop and not put up a fight that could have injured various people including the bill bailer, the OCer, and the Security Guard.

    "Deployed his pocketknife"? All the guard had was a pocketknife? Whatever happened to carrying a billyclub, at least? No pepper spray, no tazer?
     
  16. dnthmn2004

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    Why does Denny's have a security guard?!? No one finds this a little suspicious? I'm thinking it was a 'manager' who identified himself as security to avoid scrutiny.
     
  17. opaww

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    Sense when is crime not crime? Is steeling a crime? Is assault a crime? Wheather he was justified in the use of a gun or not only he can tell you that. But if steeling is not a crime Yunus then next time you leave the house, leave your handgun home and when two thugs push you and your wife around , steel your wallet and her pirse just say let them go it' not a crime.
     
  18. Rick1967

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    I can certainly see drawing a weapon on a man beating up a manger. But, drawing on a guy for dining and dashing? Really?