Reserve the right to refuse service (no gun allowed)

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by WillBender, Feb 22, 2013.

  1. WillBender

    WillBender New Member

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    I would like to take a poll. Who would and who would not.

    The poll is In Oregon law states you can carry with your concealed handgun permit in any public building. Lets apply this to every state for this poll. If you want to go into a business that is a public building that has signs that say no weapons allowed. But you know you are at legal right would you still enter? Let apply the concealed aspect to this you are concealing your weapon.
     
  2. hockeyjr1

    hockeyjr1 New Member

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    I don't carry cuz I live in NY.. I actually can't even hold a handgun in a gun shop without a CCL.. However if I was to live in a state like yours and those signs had no legal value.( some states they do and can call the cops) I would carry everywhere besides federal buildings..

    Look at it this was if your in Walmart and an employee sees your gun by accident all they can tell you is to leave...
     

  3. WillBender

    WillBender New Member

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    thankyou for you input. greatly appreciated. i feel the same way.
     
  4. fupuk

    fupuk New Member

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    Im Michigan they have the right to post a sign that says no weapons allowed and thats all thats needed. I carry everyday and ive seen a few places that have signs posted for no weapons, I just leave and go to a different store. Its not worth it to me to shop at a place that wont accept me with a firearm.
     
  5. Doc3402

    Doc3402 New Member

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    No, I would not enter. I would respect the property owners right to run his business the way he wants to, and I would patronize another store.

    Now let me ask you a question. If an armed stranger came to the door of your house or apartment, would you let them in, or would you exercise your rights and refuse them entry? Some people would say there is a difference, but there really isn't. It's all about property rights, not guns.

    Seriously, you might want to reread your local laws. It seems inconceivable that the state would make a law that essentially removes the rights of the property owner in favor of the gun owner. I would bet that somewhere in there there is something forbidding carry in premises that are posted as no gun zones.
     
  6. audiophile

    audiophile New Member

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    Only thing here is WM has no policy against OC or CC so that associate would have no basis in requiring you to leave.
     
  7. SigArmored

    SigArmored New Member

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    In Fl those signs have no leagle authority.As to the fact that I agree if a store owner has a gun fobia and posts a sign such as the one we are discussing I just simply take my money elsewhere.However a point was made in another thread that I also believe that when you open you're business up to the public you have inherently given up some of the things that private property ownership provides.Now as to the Walmart thing,working for Sam's club we have the exact same rules.They are not allowed,here in Florida,to escort you out because it's been found out that you have a gun.However they do have to tell you to conceal you're weapon better or pleas take it to you're vehicle.1) If you have been noticed carrying anywhere(ie...gun bulging and printing )you are not in line with the idea of conceal carry.2)In most states that's considered brandishing.3)Depending on the state and the Leo you can be arrested for brandishing.Just something to think about.
     
  8. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    What is the point of getting a CC permit, and then not being able to go into here, there, and everywhere that posts a sign? Concealed is concealed. They shouldn't know, no matter the case. I'd go in. Here in NH BTW, I have never seen a sign posted anywhere about not bringing a gun inside. I do know Walmart can be a little touchy......Doesn't stop me, though.....
     
  9. c3shooter

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    Re-read the law. As in "public building". Does that mean a building OPEN to the public, or a building OWNED by the public. MacDonalds- or the library?
     
  10. WillBender

    WillBender New Member

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    Both, you can still enter a privately owned store with your weapon, if they have a sign that says no weapons then your still able to enter and not breaking laws but breaking there rules. And they will ask you to leave if they find out. But any building that we as tax payers pay for cannot post signs saying no weapons. That is illegal. http://www.oregonfirearms.org/chl-central/prohibited-places

    check it out
     
  11. audiophile

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    I know that under Oklahoma law, an individual place of business has the right to prohibit weapons licensed or not, whether concealed or not if they wish to do so. If that business has a "no weapons" or a gun buster sign posted, it is unlawful for you to enter with a weapon. Doing so can subject you to fines, arrest and loss of license. The business does not however, have the right to prohibit weapons in the parking lot.
    As far as schools go, weapons are not allowed on the property unless they are maintained by the possessor while in their vehicle. If you needed to go into the school, you may leave the weapon in the vehicle but said vehicle would have to be parked off of school property.
    As far as public buildings, the city has the descretion if they want to allow carry or not unless the area is specifically mentioned in state law. Example - a city park, if the city posts a no weapons sign, this would be in violation of state law which specifically mentions that parks or other outdoor common areas used for recreation may not be prohibited.
    Now as far as carrying where a sign is posted, I will simply go somewhere else. It is not worth my license for the inconvienence.


    P.s. I like the signs that they use in Texas "unlawful possession of a weapon on these premesis is prohibited under state law"
     
  12. chloeshooter

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    That's the whole point of businesses posting signs in Minnesota - it is their right to ban firearms on premise. I go to a lot of meetings with clients in buildings marked such. Doing so makes carrying Illegal. I follow the law because I don't wish to lose my license. I'm also not a guy that feels naked without his gun, so it doesn't bother me I accept it and move on. For those that feel the need to carry 24/7 I could see this being a major pain!
     
  13. mcb

    mcb New Member

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    I look at it this way. If a business doesn't respect my right to carry, I will spend my money at one that does.
     
  14. sirhc

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    Walmart can be touchy about multiple things. Let a Walmart employee see you taking video or pictures inside the store. They will escort you out and ask you not come back. During Halloween 1 was taking pictures of my 1 yr old with different Halloween wigs on. The employee made a big stink about it and asked us to leave. A telephone call later we were a large fruit basket richer.???.
     
  15. HOSSFLY

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    Really? Police stations, federal buildings, court houses?
     
  16. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    I try to support pro gun business'. If I have a choice I will always spend my money there. But if I have to do business with a place with a sign I will respect their right.
     
  17. bluez

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    Most of the posts here are corrrect BUT:

    - If someone posts the sign , they can ask you to leave if they notice and if you refuse (which you should NOT refuse) it is a trespassing charge.

    - Unless in your state they passed an addtional law making it a crime to disobey these signs, which I guess is possible but i have never heard of.

    - I dont see where you would get charged with any crimes if you just leave UNLESS its a courthouse or soemthing. But I htink the OP was talking about places/corporations like walmart etc.
     
  18. HOSSFLY

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    That shud be everones opinion since we all yell so loud about our rights-
    Respecting rights is a two way street --
     
  19. ALfiremedic1

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    My personal opinion is that I like to support pro gun businesses. Some places understand how guns work and use it to their advantage. For example, chik-fil-a always gives discounts to public safety here. I asked the manager why, and he explained that when they always have people with guns, police, fire, and EMS there, they have never been robbed. One chik-fil-a decided not to do the same thing, and they were robbed in less then a week of opening. If I HAVE to do business with an establishment who has a sign posted, I still carry, and try to get out as soon as possible.