Repro 3rd. Model Dragoon with Shoulder Stock

Discussion in 'Blackpowder & Musket' started by Boris, Sep 25, 2008.

  1. Boris

    Boris New Member

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    I am looking for a repro Colt 3rd. Model Dragoon with Shoulder Stock, apparantly Uberti no longer produce them but if anyone hears where I might get hold of one I would be obliged............thanks
     
  2. bprevolver

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    Dragoon stock

    You are looking for a very, very rare and hard to find item. The revolvers are available but the Dragoon stocks have not been produced for many years. They were made with both steel hardware and brass hardware. The brass ones are more likely to surface than the steel hardware. One of these stocks sold on Ebay a few years back for over $800.
     

  3. Boris

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    Stress....thanks I am going to have to rethink my plan......:rolleyes:
     
  4. oldfogey4ever

    oldfogey4ever New Member

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    According to this web-page, this stock is the one which will fit (might have to dremel a little bit) but it'd be a whole lot cheaper than a real one.
     
  5. Rex in OTZ

    Rex in OTZ Well-Known Member

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  6. Hawg

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    Y'all do realize this thread is over 7 years old right?
     
  7. oldfogey4ever

    oldfogey4ever New Member

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    Yep, but people are still looking for good information, nonetheless! Only bad thing is that I can't find a repro cavalry one with the folding 3-leaf sight and notch-cut grip (1860 Army stock supposed to fit, probably need modded to fit properly tho, VTI and Taylors carries the shoulder stock-hammer screw - be a neat diy presentation case assembly)!
     
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  8. Charles G.

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    Realize that this is an old thread, but thought I'd share some relevant info.

    Historically, and in the reproduction world, there are actually two versions of the 3rd model Dragoon - for simplicity's sake I will refer to them as the "Civilian" and "Military" models. The Civilian is much more common, and really the main difference between it and the 2nd Model Dragoon is the shape of the trigger guard. The Military version, however, has some subtle but very significant differences, that allow it to both mount a shoulder stock and maximize usability of said stock.

    How to spot? Key differences between the Civilian and the Military version are as follows:
    1) The backstrap on the Military version is iron/steel, not brass like the Civilian model
    2) The Military backstrap has a small notch or "divot" at the butt end to facilitate attachment of a shoulder stock
    3) The frame of the Military model has 4 screws - the fourth screw is actually a raised "stud" that, again, facilitates the mounting of a shoulder stock. The Civilian version only has three flush screws, as most/all Colt percussion revolvers otherwise have.
    4) The bottom of the recoil shield has a small portion cut away, once again to accommodate the stock.
    5) Finally, the barrel of the Military version has a dovetail slot cut towards the top rear, to mount a three leaf folding sight; I believe allowing aimed fire out to 100 and 200 yards for the two "long range" leaves.

    In terms of reproductions, there aren't very many and they can be hard to come by, but they *do* exist. There are two, possibly three, that I know of:
    1) Uberti has (and may still have, IDK) a Military 3rd Model that has the first four features listed above, but lacks the leaf sight arrangement.

    2) Colt's 3rd Generation "Signature Series" has a Military 3rd Model (stated as such) but the description in Adler's "Black Powder Revolvers - Reproductions and Replicas" only mentions that it is "military" and has a steel backstrap, and does not go into further detail on the other features. I suspect that it is similar to the Uberti, since I believe Colt used Uberti castings as a starting point for their 2nd & 3rd generation series. But I could be wrong...

    3) Finally, a long time ago ('70's, I think) Armi San Marco offered a 3rd Model that had ALL the above features, including the leaf sights! They had two versions: a standard model that was basically a straight reproduction, and a "Buntline" version with an 18" barrel. The drawback to this otherwise good reproduction is that it had all the really obnoxious "Made in Italy" etc. stamps.

    Note and note well! Only the Military model is able to mount a stock - the Civilian version lacks the features needed to accept it. So make sure you get the correct sub-version of the 3rd Model Dragoon!

    Hope this helps!
     
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  9. Charles G.

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    The reason I responded to this old thread was because I have been trying to take a "Military" 3rd Model Dragoon of Uberti make that I bought a number of years ago, and modify it to have the correct 3-leaf sight mounted to the barrel. To that end I managed to get an old ASM 3rd Dragoon with barrel and rear sights; the plan is to modify the Uberti barrel to accept the sights (since the ASM will not fit on a Uberti frame, and I don't like the "Made in Italy" etc. markings).

    In addition to remaking the revolver itself, I would like to find a reproduction stock, if possible, so if anybody knows of one, pray let me know...