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Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by user4, Mar 6, 2009.
Which is better for home defense and why?
You got two categories there, but you don't have application(s) listed. One is an auto and one is a manual. They both serve a purpose, but what purpose are you looking for it to handle?
Have you seen the Saiga 12s? They're pretty slick and on an upcoming federal ban list. They're built on an AK action, so they're magazine fed. You can even get 20 and 30 round drums for them.
I'm just sayin'...
Saiga 12 with Tromix goodies:
Advance Armaments 30 rd. drum:
Good point. I was thinking zombies and other would-be invaders...
In that case, the 1100. Although matt did recently turn me onto his little Saiga fetish and I have to say I like the idea behind it. That thing would clear a whole room full of zombies in nothing flat.
But at the price of one of those, you could probably find a used 870 AND an 1100....
Brett has been picking up used 870's, 1100's & Mossy 500's at the local gun shows, working them over a little ( rebluing, trigger, slide work, new stock here or there or maybe some ghost rings ) and they are FLYING out the door right now. He moved 4 shotguns in one afternoon this week!
But, shotguns will ALWAYS be available in one form or another. Nothing to rush out and donate plasma for at this very moment....
Now I've seen varied incarnations of the same gun...magnum, express, tactical, and a host of other. What's the difference, and which is better?
Not really my area of expertise to be honest, so I am going to give you what I know to be mostly true and let someone else fill in the gaps.
A Magnum chambered shotgun is for the larger shotgun loads and will have problems with lighter loads, like the 2 3/4" shells.
Tactical just means it doesn't have wood and it has either a pistol grip, or an integrated weapon light and fore end pump, or a synthetic stock. Something along those lines....
Express?? I honestly don't know and never thought to ask. I have an FN... LOL
1100 was a great hunting gun, IMHO the most natural pointing shotties ever. They were finicky about ammo. The 11-87 pretty much replaced the 100 in 12 ga. (20 ga 1100's are still produced). The 11-87 uses a self regulating gas system that will handle light and heavy loads equally well.
I voted 870 because I feel it is superior to the 1100. I would take the 11-87 over the 870.
I, too, am a Saiga lover. My pic is on the saiga thread. Tough, mag fed, feeds anything from 7/8 oz target loads to max 3" mags. Mine is up to AK reliability standards (feeds, fires, extracts and ejects rusty buckshot)
I own both, and didn't see the HD part of the question until after I voted. I would pick the 870 for HD because it is a manually operated action. Overall, hunting, clays, etc., I'd take an 1100. 15 years ago I'd have given the edge to the Wingmaster. I've gone downhill, not the gun.
Easy answer for home defense
I love Remington 1100's. I think for the money they're great hunting and target guns (this is not necessarily a popular opinion). BUT, since your question is about home defense, then the 870 is the obvious choice. Why? Because it's a pump-action shotgun.
Remember this; the two most intimidating sounds in the world are a prison door slamming shut and a pump-action shotgun cycling.
I bought both. My 1100 is the tac-2 18.5" barrel, tactical model. I would get it for home defense. If you have to fire multiple times, you won't forget to pump in between and you can fire off all 7 rounds in the time an 870 could fire two or three...
Given the choice between the two Remmies, I'd have to take the 870. There is just less to go wrong there. You can neglect a pump really bad before they quit working. Plus, I don't have any experience with the 1187.
Both are fine shotguns. I own several 870's. I have owned a couple of 1100's and 11-87's.
I am partial to the 870. It is basically the standard that every other pump gun aspires to be.
The 870 is without a doubt the easiest to take down to nothing and clean.
I speak from experience. I started duck and goose hunting with an 870. Salt and fresh water. Other waterfowl hunters will tell you: use them as canoe paddles, dumping them overboard or leaving them in a foot of water, an inch of ice frozen to the entire surface and pull the trigger and rack, still perfect. etc. I have beaten the hell out of several 870's, all keep coming back for more.
As to re load speed: a smooth, well worn, clean 870 can keep up with an 1100. And no gas problems. The difference, with practice, is so minute, the lack of gas problems and take down headaches makes up the .02 % difference in shell extraction and re load.
Can you tell I'm partial to 870"s?