Remington wins contract for M4s

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Quentin, Apr 22, 2012.

  1. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    4/20/2012: U.S. Army places order for 24,000 M4 carbines with Remington Arms

    http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gear...er-for-24000-m4-carbines-with-remington/#more

    This is breaking news and not a lot of info out yet but Remington will get the M4 TDP and will have to build true milspec M4s - and get up to speed fast. It remains to be seen if this will bring up the quality of civilian ARs such as Bushmaster. Odds are the civilian and military rifles made in Ilion, NY will be different for a while but in the future anything can happen.

    The thing that likely will affect us the most is even more shortages in the AR supply chain as pointed out in this quote from the above article: "Any of you that were about to buy milspec parts for your guns, now’s a good time. I’m sure Remington is about to go on an OEM parts buying binge."
     
  2. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    No comment on a Remington M4 contract? :confused:
     

  3. ShagNasty1001

    ShagNasty1001 New Member

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    I'll still stick with my RRA and when the time is right (I.e. funds), step up to DD after a 6.8 upper comes home
     
  4. silverado113

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    It depends on who they subcontract too. My uncle use to work for a company (Advanced Ordnance I believe) that built bolt carrier groups and a couple of other components for M16s under Colt. I'm sure Remington will do something similar.
     
  5. billt

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    Exactly. They'll do the same thing Colt does. Buy more parts from someone else. Look for the guys at CMT to start working some OT for the Summer.
     
  6. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    Damnit. The government is just gonna order guns and ammo until there is nothing left for civilians. This is maddening.
     
  7. mountainman13

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    This sh&t is getting ridiculous. I'm going to have to by a freaking windham weaponry ar because I can't even get the parts to build a spikes tactical. Insanity.
     
  8. billt

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    This will settle down quickly now that Romney is going to be the choice. A lot of these people are getting worked up about nothing, just as they did after the 2008 election. As I mentioned in another thread, I was at Cabela's yesterday and the place was dead. Nobody at the 100 foot long gun counter. Black rifles stacked and racked ready for sale. Ammo shelves were full. Handguns galore. The only thing in short supply was customers.

    A lot of people learned their lesson last time, when they ran out and overpaid for these guns on credit. Then the prices crashed and they were unloading them for less than what they paid for them. The Internet is over hyping this. Many of these companies are filling orders they've received before all of this nonsense started.
     
  9. mountainman13

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    Thanks for the info. That's a bit comforting. I haven't seen any signs of calming in my area and its getting on my nerves. About a week ago I was looking at some spikes tactical lowers and yesterday they were sold out everywhere. It's crazy. A gun shop should never have to tell a customer we have a few lowers (not spikes) and no uppers and don't know when we will, but we have a few (low end) complete used rifles. Yeah no thanks.
    If the gun I put up on consignment sells for my asking price then the insanity is working for me, if not its just an aggravation.
     
  10. billt

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    Internet ammo and component sales are up. I purchased some WC-844 Powder from Wideners a while back for .223 / 5.56 MM, and it took longer than usual for them to ship it. I checked yesterday and they were "out of stock". But with that said I have no idea how much they had to begin with.

    Another thing is a lot of these companies got caught with their pants down last time around. Many of them went to setting up extra, around the clock shifts in order to ramp up production to meet the demand. After everything rapidly settled when people ran out of money because of the pi$$ poor economy, they were forced to deal with layoffs and got stuck with a lot of product they ended up dumping on distributors for cost, just to move it because of the impending glut of black rifles that followed. If you look at the economy it can't support this for long. People are having trouble paying their mortgages and buying gasoline. Let alone spending 4 digits on guns they need far less than a job at the moment.
     
  11. mountainman13

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    Well hopefully I can take advantage of the dip. I just hope none of our companies hurt themselves to the point of closing.
     
  12. billt

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    Another thing as far as the Cerberus companies, (Remington, DPMS, Bushmaster), is now that they've got military obligations to meet, (120,000 weapons), that is going to slice into their ability to ramp up civilian sales. Bottom line, don't look for Remington, DPMS, and Bushmaster rifles to be avaliable by the boxcar load as we've been accustomed to seeing. At least not in the immediate future.
     
  13. billt

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    I think what you've just mentioned is partly to blame for what we're seeing now. They all got burned by over producing the last time around, so they'll be very reluctant to expand production again, and be forced to deal with the same problems down the road. Yes, meeting customer demand is very important. But not at the risk of hurting the company in the process further down the road.
     
  14. mountainman13

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    Sounds like the manufacturers have learned now if the general public would learn we wouldn't have this problem. Lol
     
  15. silverado113

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    Remington, DPMS, Colt, Bushmaster, etc if I'm not mistaken especially when it comes to big contracts aren't their components sub contracted out anyways most likely to the same company?
     
  16. MikeJK

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    I wonder how many guys are begging their squad leader to be put on the 249 or 240 knowing these will be hitting the arms room. I just hope the .gov inspectors are well rested they're going to have their hands full. They can't get it right on the civilian side lets pray they do it right for our service men.

    It's a sad ****ing day when they award a contract such as this to the bottom feeders. It's not we're talking about a pair of pants or 550 cord.
     
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  17. Todd_

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    No kidding. A rifle is a soldiers second most important item, his brain being the first. Hopefully they do our men and women overseas right and make a good product. Plus, if they can take the changes they implement to follow the TDP specs and apply them to their civy rifles, we may see more quality rifles on our end. Always a welcome sight!
     
  18. Quentin

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    One thing that will be interesting is whether Remington will be allowed to continue selling a commercial version of the M4. FN wasn't allowed to sell a commercial M16, only Colt has sold both military and commercial M16s and M4s. Bushmaster may have to become the commercial side of the the Ilion factory.

    This also is an excellent example that parts vary in quality. Obviously Remington can't sell rebadged Bushmasters on the contract and expect to get by the inspectors. They no doubt are scrambling to buy true milspec components and probably will keep the govt and commercial sides of the factory separate. What goes into the typical Bushmaster won't go into the M4s sold to the military.
     
  19. AgentTikki

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    I hope this contract makes the Freedom group come up to speed and start making some better quality firearms. This they have the economies of scale from milspec production, maybe hopefully it will carry over to their civilian line.
     
  20. JonM

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    pm's sent. stick to the topic