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Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by GREGULON, May 8, 2014.
I just picked this shotgun up for $175 and it is my first. Is this a good one or not?
An oldie, but a goody as the saying goes.
Yes. It is a somewhat economy version of the Wingmaster, and there is no better pump gun. Remington has used the Sportsman label on guns for about a hundred years. The very early ones were semi autos. The Sportsman pump was introduced in the mid 80s and the ones I have seen had excellent blued metal work and hardwood stocks. They were Remington's first attempt at reducing the prices, and they immediately preceded the Express. They were better finished than the early Expresses, and way better finished than the later ones. They also made a Sportsman Auto version of the 1100. I heard they suffered in sales because the uninitiated did not realize they were essentially the same gun as the 870 and 1100. Hence they changed the name to 870 Express on the pump, and dropped the auto when the 11-87 came along. They offered a black matte 1100 for a few years after that. The plan was the 11-87 would supplant the 1100, but the 1100 refused to die. The first 11-87 Premiers were very good looking well finished guns, but the early RemChoke barrels were heavier than the old barrels, and it affected the handling and really put off a lot of 1100 lovers. They soon fixed the weight issue, but the 11-87s image damage was done. I sold a very early 11-87 in the duck blind to one of the great O/U lovers of all time. He liked the added weight forward, and that is still his main waterfowl gun today.
You can usually get a very good deal on those 80s Sportsman guns because a lot of people don't know much about them.
One annoying aspect of the Sportsman auto .....(1100 clone, and maybe the 870 version) was the receiver had no flat leading to the barrel rib.
Even the lowly Express has a flat (but not countersunk like that of a Special Purpose or Wingmaster).
1187's also suffered early due to horribly machined Remchoke barrels (not concentric to bore). Some were not usable they shot so far from point of aim. My poor hunting buddy got 2 such lemons from Galyans in Indy (learned to not order, instead buy off the rack where you can inspect such things).
Clean and for $175 the lack of a flat might very well be tolerable
I have heard of such, but in looking at literally hundreds of 11-87 and 1100 barrels I have never personally seen one. I do know the early RemChoke barrels were heavy.
I personally saw the two my buddy ordered, back to back- paper thin on one side of muzzle.
Eh, the 2nd one had that Mossy Oak with green leaves camo..........ugly as sin.
Seen a dozen or more others at various shops back in the early 90's (proly checked out a couple hundred bbls on 1187/1100/870 myself).
Also viewed on some 870's (frequented some decent sized shops). Dunno what the bad % ended up being but I saw plenty enough to buy barrels I could check out before plunking down my $.
Kinda looks like they had a bad couple of yrs making them, after that they were OK.