Remington Rolling Block Buffalo rifle

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by windwalker_2012au, Jul 8, 2012.

  1. windwalker_2012au

    windwalker_2012au New Member

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    this is a nice rifle on this link i would like to do a copy of this gun with the pedersoli s852 rolling block and the MVA Rough & Ready Barrel Sight and a redriver windage beech front sight see picks.
    Bernie:p
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  2. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    What caliber are you thinking of? I like rolling blocks and have owned several of them.
     

  3. windwalker_2012au

    windwalker_2012au New Member

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    hiwall 45/70.cleator AZ looks like a nice place reminds me of a place here in western Australia called paynes find.
    Bernie
     
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  4. HockaLouis

    HockaLouis New Member

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    Take it to .45-90? Yeah!
     
  5. TLuker

    TLuker New Member

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    Just out of curiosity what are you planning to use it for?
     
  6. W. C. Quantrill

    W. C. Quantrill New Member

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    Those are good rifles, Bernie. It will roll a buff for sure in the .45-70.

    The .45-70 came to be one of the most versatile cartridges because of all you can do with it. Depending on what rifling that Psoli uses, you can go up to 500 grain government bullets, and down to pistol bullets, as well as shot loads and 3 ball loads for light game. Also, you can use the Trailboss powder for reduced and plinking loads. It is an excellent cartridge.
     
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  7. HockaLouis

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    .45-70 was a military small arm cartridge, not a buffalo-hunting caliber. Sure, alot of inhumane westward-bound and savages shot buffalo with them and watched them die slow, gruesome, deaths. They make handguns in that caliber!

    Upgrade man. You can always stick a .45-70 in a 90 too... On a different day I'd even suggest the .45-110 (like Quigly down there) or the more common 120. Why go to the trouble and keep it a shameless peasant's surplus caliber?
     
  8. windwalker_2012au

    windwalker_2012au New Member

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    pedersoli rolling blocks are proffed 30% more than the std saami loads for the cartridge it is chamberd for so it is safe to use 29007 psi saami loads i have a load that gives 1500 fps with a 500 grn cast bullet and smokless powder at 28000 psi that load will kill big water buffalo here in australia with a well placed shot.see the pedersoli info page on there guns.
    Bernie:D
    http://www.bpcr.net/site_docs-resul...li_proof_rules_and_allowable_limits_09-04.htm
     
  9. W. C. Quantrill

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    The .45-70-500 was developed to replace the aging .50-70. It was developed to reliably kill horses at 600 yards with the intent of unmounting the greatest cavalry of the day, the American Indian. Pay no attention to the critic. The .45-70 is the cartridge of choice at the Black Powder Cartridge Rifle Nationals at the NRA Whittington Center, at Raton New Mexico. The last shoot I was at has 120 shooters from all over the US and Canada and a few from foreign countries. The shooters strive for small groups at 1000 yards. Even with the rainbow trajectory of the cartridge, some of the shooters are shooting 12 inch groups. In the initial testing of the cartridge at Sandy Hook the maximum extreme range was gauged at about 4200 yards.

    Shooters at Whittington preferred the Sharps rifle in .45-70, however, there was probably 20% of the shooters who were shooting Trapdoors.

    .40-90's and .45-110's were later developed for the Sharps rifles that had enough weight to absorb the recoil, and then they were not shot in 100 round matches, unless the shooter was begging for a leaking hemotoma. The rolling block does not have the mass to handle the Sharps cartridges. It will do just fine with the -70.

    My great grandfather was employed as a hunter by Fort Wallace and shot buffalo as a business for 2 years using the .50-70.




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    Original cartridges from Fort Wallace. The first 2 are .50-70 and the rest are .45-70. One of the .50's is a balloon head.
    My great great grandfather used the .50-70, in a rifle of about 13 pounds, and killed on the average 70 head a day to feed the 3000 railroad workers and the 400 soldiers at the fort. The intent was to decimate the buffalo herds to force the Cheyenne back onto the reservation. The Sand Creek massacre had happened within about 40 miles of there just 6 years before.

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    solid head and balloon head cartridge.

    Being as I possess these cartridges, the rifle that they were used in, and the papers in his writing describing the hunts, I know this to be true. The .45-70 outshines the .50, and by my estimation would shoot through a buff at reasonable shooting ranges. I shot a nice muley buck with my TDS with a 500 at 240 yards and it was a pass through, and the buck was anchored in his tracks. I have no doubt that the .45-70-500 would anchor an American Bison with proper shot placement, and with a pass through at logical range. Buffalo possess a huge amount of blood compared to cattle or horses, and if lung shot do take a minute or so to bleed out. It is all about shot placement and if some pilgrim gut shoots one, it does not matter whether it is a .45-70, or a .45-120, it is still a slob shot.

    Bring your RB, Bernie, I will bring my rifle, we will meet Hockey at Whittington Center Black Powder Cartridge Nationals and have a put up or shut up match, what do you say? Make sure you bring your 120!
     
  10. HockaLouis

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    Wind, I'm sure it can handle the pressure of standard commercial loads and then some. Factory .45-70 are rather underloaded because the manufacturers know that, here in the States at least, people are putting them in some very old and questionable arms quite possibly. +30% -- not too excited. Like any US Gov't round, it instantly becomes a favorite civilian cartridge, and the surplus market ensures a life after useful life.

    I suspect you aren't actually going after water buffalo, but, whether or not you are, with the other changes you are making wouldn't you love to say "its a .45-90," the cartridge of a truly professional classic big game hunter and target shooter instead of a degenerate market hunter or exterminator of such majestic creatures?
     
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  11. HockaLouis

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    A Picture Speaks A Thousand Words...

    ...or 90 or 120 of them!
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  12. windwalker_2012au

    windwalker_2012au New Member

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    i have at the moment a H&R Buffalo Classic with a 32 inch barrel when i use the aa load data for 2015powder 38.5grn 500 LC FP =,1510fps 27,900 psi this is with a 24 inch barrel i get an extra 120 fps with my 32 inch barrel so that is 1630 fps from the same load in my buffalo classic that gives me a FPME of 2950.5374 that is not a load to fob of.
    Bernie;)
     
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  13. W. C. Quantrill

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    You have already taken the buffalo with that rifle havnet you?
     
  14. W. C. Quantrill

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    The 90 and the 120 were Sharps cartridges. The Rolling Block was never designed for them.
     
  15. hiwall

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    With modern powder the case capacity of the 45-70 exceeds the amount necessary for maximum pressure loads. The larger case capacity of the longer shells would be meaningless.
     
  16. windwalker_2012au

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    so very true hiwall a friend of mine has a custom ruger no1 in 450 nitro express 3&1/4 inch with a 28 inch barrel and at full power loads which uses 105 grns os smokless powder under a 500 grain bullet gets him 2150fps,to me all that extra powder and the velocity it gets is not worth all the extra powder,a ruger no1 22 inch barrel in 45/70 with a 500 grn bullet gets 1850 fps with 55 grns of powder, so for an extra 300 fps he gets he uses 50 grns more powder.
    Bernie:)
     
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  17. windwalker_2012au

    windwalker_2012au New Member

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    not with that rifle Bill but have taken a cammel with it one shot kill he went down like he was hit by thor's hammer,i have taken water buff with a .58 cal front stuffer all one shot kills.
    Bernie:D
     
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  18. TLuker

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    My 150 lb whitetail deer suddenly seem awful small. :mad: