Remington r1 vs ???

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by Crazyape, Jan 16, 2013.

  1. Crazyape

    Crazyape New Member

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    OK guys I'm new at this whole thing but I want to learn everything I can. Here is my question.. What is the difference between standard 1911's (r1) and the high end 11's (wilson combat, kimber, etc...)? I have a history in paintball, and I am a car builder and painter, so I understand smaller, faster, lighter, and pretty paint but is there any actual performance or quality benafits?
     
  2. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Depends on your philosophy of use.

    To me the high end 1911's are nice and all but they deviate from the military spec and dont lend well to defensive role. They tend to have all the slop and play removed from frame to slide to barrel linkages. This means just a little bit of harsh abuse or dirt can lock em up solid when you need them the most.

    Under range conditions its a nonissue. Under conditions where dirt or lack of lubricant is involved (the goblin isnt going to give you time to oil your gun) tight tolerances us a very bad thing.

    If your doing bullseye and such you want solid lockup to drive rounds on top of each other. In self defense you dont need laser accuracy so you want a little slop to ensure reliability. 1-2 inch groups from a lower end gun is more than adequate for self defense.

    Ive owned high end 1911s and while they are very very nice to target shoot with they suck as everyday carry guns.

    Both types have their purpose. There is no one gun thats perfect for every role.

    Just my opinion.
     

  3. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Welcome to the forum. We have an "Introductions" area where you can say "Hi".

    As you are a car builder, you know that some parts from company "a" will work, but the same part from company "b" works better. If you are talking model cars, then the replica from company "c" is more true to the original than company "d".

    So is it in the world of firearms. Some 1911s are assembled with just enough attention to be able to work and be called a 1911. Others go the extra mile to make sure they have what is considered the "Best" 1911.
     
  4. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Oh one other thing. Dan brought up the car thing which made this analogy pop in mind. Whats better a chevy nova or a indy car?? indy cars kinda suck if you need to take the kids to chuckeecheese but you arent going to win any indy races with a chevy nova...
     
  5. Olympus

    Olympus New Member

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    There are several differences aside from the obvious. Since you like cars, what's the difference between a Chevy Aveo and a Cadillac CTS? Both are dependable cars that get you from point A to point B. One is just built to higher standards with better quality parts and has more style. But either one will perform their primary function more or less the same.

    Same applies to the gun world. The Remington will go BOOM just as reliably as a higher end gun. Just depends on whether what you want is something that will strictly go BOOM, or if you want something extra.
     
  6. Crazyape

    Crazyape New Member

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    Ok I'm following along heres what I got.
    First off Aveo vs cadillac are different platforms.. 1911 vs ar15 .. but that being said a four banger mustang and a roush mustang are vastly different based in there some of parts. Will any part upgrades affect my r1, or is the standard of fabrication limiting the overall performance in comparison? I'm assuming that an " aftermarket" trigger or guide springs will not fit any better or make a noticable improvement on my r1.
     
  7. Olympus

    Olympus New Member

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    You follow the Nova vs Indy car comparison, but say mine are a different platform? #scratch?

    As far as certain part upgrades, some will make moderate improvements and others very little if any. What result are you wanting to achieve? What are you wanting your R1 to do or do better? If you are wanting super tight accuracy, then you will be limited based on the tolerances of your gun. It is very difficult to "tighten" tolerances.

    As far as the trigger, changing that will have very little affect on performance. You want a lighter, smoother trigger then you should focus on the sear engagement, hammer, and leaf spring instead just the trigger. These will all need to be properly fit and mated by someone competent. Whereas the guide spring you mention should drop in no matter the gun.
     
  8. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    guide rods in the 1911 actually reduce reliability while adding nothing to the accuracy equation. you only need a guild rod when you use a much heavier than stock recoil spring to keep it from binding. the problem with the guide rod in 1911's is that they are of two piece design and can easily come apart slightly making the spring hang on the rod itself.

    it takes a lot of money to drastically increase the accuracy of a stock 1911. even the cheapest RIA 1911 base model is a more accurate handgun than 99% of the people who own guns can shoot one.

    people buy more pricey guns with higher quality parts and better craftsmanship for the same exact reason we all want better cars. every car on the market will get you to walmart but a ferrari testarosa does it in style...
     
  9. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Take a glass pack muffler and see how many brands there are.
    Thrush, Flowmaster, Magnaflow, stock.

    Each do the same thing, but to different degrees. Just dropping a Rousch engine in place of a 4 cyl does not make an efficient race car. As with cars, when one thing is changed, other things may need to be changed also.

    The knowledge of what needs to be changed separates good from great.
     
  10. limbkiller

    limbkiller New Member

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    Well that's bullcrap. Tell Chuck Rodgers that his lockup tight no rattle guns won't work when the dust blows a little. Call Joe Chambers and tell him the same thing and he will laugh in your face. Personally I don't mind a little rattle as I just buy guns as an investment and to shoot. But well put together 1911's are so much smoother, accurate and just plan fun to shoot. It's like driving a 65 fast back mustang and a built Shelby. And no you don't need extreme accuracy for a carry pistol, but if you have the dough go for it. You will have a gun that will run as good as any sloppy gun. Sheech!!
     
  11. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    you get one dirty with south texas red dirt get it a little wet and those super tight guns stop like a pole axed ox. its a big reason i got rid of my custom 1911. couldnt take it outside work all day with it in the dust and dirt sitting in a holster and still have it function.

    my colt 1911 series 70 is unaffeted by such conditions.

    like i said its my opinion. i base it off experience with such guns. i believe that they are mostly smoke and mirrors paying premium price for a gun that doesnt run any better than a off the shelf gun.

    if you want one because they are well crafted thats great. go for it.
     
  12. Crazyape

    Crazyape New Member

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    Thanks for the replies, like I said I am new to this and was just looking for some direction. I personally like to customize and personalize everything I can. Hopefully I will get a chance to shoot some of the different 11's and compare them myself. I really enjoy shooting my r1, believe me any flaws at the range are my fault not the guns. To Olympus, not tring to pick at your analagy it was just the one I picked, sorry if I offended, I really appreciate your input! Thanks again to all!!
     
  13. Olympus

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    Another limiting factor on your R1 is going to be the GI sights. They will get you hitting center mass, but they're pretty limited in my opinion.

    I understand the drive to customize and personalize your guns. I like that also. But I also learned early on that sometimes its cheaper in the long run to spend the money up front and buy a gun that already had everything you want rather than try to adapt and customize something you already own into something else entirely.
     
  14. weapon

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    If you have a 1911 custom built, you can specify just about whatever you want -- including how tight you want the slide to frame fit or anything else. I have custom Commander that started with a Colt 1991 Commander model - it has a match barrel & bushing, and (insert a massively long list of aftermarket parts, mods and tweaks) yet I planned to use it as a carry gun from the start...so it has enough play left in it to where it will run when it is downright grimy. Fairly large price tag but it was worth it.

    On the other hand, there are a lot more options in the 1911 market than when I had that Commander built -- several of which have many of the same mods I had to have added to mine while still costing only a fraction as much. A couple good examples - the Ruger SR1911 and the new Ruger SR1911 Commander model. I have one of the 5" SR1911s and it is definitely worth a look if you are interested in a 1911 that is well equipped but does not cost a fortune -- it's a greater shooter. I haven't had any failures of any kind and it's got well over a thousand rounds of several different types of ammo through at this point.