Remington - NBC will soon air a report most popular Shotguns & Rifles

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Bigcountry02, Apr 12, 2012.

  1. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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  2. Vincine

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    Without getting into the 'wisdom' of putting one's hand on the muzzle or leaving a chambered gun standing up on it's butt, are there other firearms whose sole safety just blocks the trigger, instead of the hammer and/or other parts of the firing mechanism?
     

  3. JonM

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    Glocks and just about any firearm that uses a crossbolt style safety.

    The things you WONT find in that "report" will be the fact the gun in question was monkeyed with by the owner and the one nbc will use to "demonstrate" was monkeyed with by nbc itself to create a false image of remington products.

    Just remember it hasnt even been a week since nbc was caught creatively editing police 911 audio recordings to make zimmerman say racial slurs...

    Crossbolt safeties are safe and have been in use for over a hundred years. People get shot by their own firearms purely through negligence but that wont be anywhere in the lie factory nbc will be airing
     
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  4. Yunus

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    I just thought that part was worth repeating.

    You could put a remote trigger on any of my guns fire it at any random time you want and no one would get accidentally shot because I follow the rules and NEVER point the gun at anything I don't want to destroy.
     
  5. alsaqr

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    MSNBC is an anti-gun ultra-liberal mouthpiece. They have made a career of bashing Remington. i own 19 Remington model 721, 722 and 700 rifles. Together those guns have fired a million or two rounds. None of them ever went bang before they were supposed to.

    One of the "cases" cited by MSNBC is a dumb lady who unloaded her gun while pointing it at her son. Remington 700 rifles become dangerous because dumb butts try to adjust their triggers.
     
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  6. Vincine

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    I guess what I’m getting at is:

    Do other firearms manufactures use the same kind of trigger only safety? What are their accidental discharge (as differentiated from NDs) records?

    If other firearm manufactures do utilize other and/or additional safeties; firing pin blocks, etc. (like Glocks, 1911s, etc.), what are their AD rates?

    Basically, is Remington being picked on? I didn’t see anything on the report about how other firearms manufactures design their safeties, and whether their records are better or worse.

    I remain suspicious when other information & data exists, but is not presented.
     
  7. pioneer461

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    With NBC's history with exploding pickups and altered "facts", I believe NOTHING they have to say.
     
  8. JTJ

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    NBC gave up being a viable news source a long time ago. It is nothing but a liberal propaganda mill. NBC should not even be referred to as a news media.
     
  9. Trez

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    I do have a small complaint with the 870... The ejector spring isnt very strong and its not a user replaceable part (theres a rivet holding it in)... I broke mine, but because I wasnt the original owner, they wanted to charge me.. Well it ended up being cheaper to buy a new 870 than to send my old one and have it fixed... :(
    But the same part on the Mossberg 500 is much beefier and is replaceable...
    I do have both.. the 870 is my "modern tactical" one, the 500 is my "goose gun"..
     
  10. Viking

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    The thing that got me about the story was no mention of the understanding we have here, "A firearm is always considered loaded and should always be handled as such." The one guy they talked to that was in prison for killing his wife said he handed his rifle to his wife, after being in the process of cleaning it, and it went off. Rather odd that he didn't have the bolt slid back for cleaning. I'm sorry for the injuries of others they were interviewing but they all sounded like mishandling of firearms. The question from the newsman should have been, "Why didn't you handle your firearm with absolute safety in mind?" All this being said, have I made mistakes? Yes, but I always strive to know where the muzzle is pointed and I don't stand my firearm in a position where it will slide over or fall. So in many ways this whole thing was a witch hunt. How many people died during the NBC program due to vehicle accidents, drowning or overdoses of drugs,etc? When one considers the millions of Remington shotguns and rifles around I suspect that comparing the previous mentioned deaths far outstrip accidental discharge wounds and deaths. It would be interesting to see the statistics of all wounds and deaths against the Remington statistics. I'm pretty sure Remington would come out smelling like a rose compared to other death causes.
     
  11. Model70

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    I don't want to play the devils advocate here, I've made no secret of my dislike for the 700, but the only shotgun I own is an 870, the only shotgun I wish I owned is an 870 Wingmaster Gold.

    My problem is this. I've seen both stories, and Remington's response has been to assassinate the witness's characters. You can't argue that there has been a lot of documented cases. I've seen untappered with 700's go off. I want to believe Remington, but it makes it hard when they won't talk facts and just pick apart the reporter and the witnesses. Does anyone expect a NBC reporter to know how to handle a gun? So the expert witnesses testify against a lot of gun manufacturer's and are trying to sell a product to fix it. I will admit it seems like a conflict of interest, but is it not also possible their design could work? Is there not a kernel of truth there somewhere?

    So if anyone would be so kind as to have some truth, I think we'd all be in your debt. Remember, we are on the Internet here. I don't know you, you don't know me. Attacks get us no where. I just want truth. Not "Me and my buddy Jimbo been shooting 700's for years and if you don't think like me you don't know anything!"

    Edit: "tampered" not tappered. Sorry.
     
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  12. JonM

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    there are a lot of reasons to dislike remington but "unsafe" gun design isnt one.

    ive owned two remington 700's one quite recently and was able to replicate the gun going off on bolt close or lightly tapping the action or stock.

    to do so you have to twist the trigger adjustment screw past its lightest setting. doing so creates an unsafe condition without any noticible change to the rifle. i have no doubt that nbc with its long history of creating fake evidence did this very thing in order to generate its previous story. in fact i can do the exact same thing with my savage model10 the trigger safety does keep the sear from completely releasing.

    all the cases of 700's going boom in a unwanted way in my opinion is due solely to either neglict or some bubba smithing on the sear or adjusting the gun past its designed settings

    personally i dont like remington products but their guns arent faulty in design.

    then there is the total lack of credibility of nbc. if one of their scum sucking reporters came on tv and claimed water was wet i would have to have a reliable second source confirm it...
     
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  13. Polygon

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    I'm sorry, but 99.9% of so called accidental discharges are really negligent discharges. As I understand it a DAO can't fire unless the trigger is pulled.
     
  14. Vincine

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    Did you see the report? What would you call a DAO firearm that goes off without the trigger being pulled?
     
  15. JonM

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    in the case of an nbc news report i would call it either digitally editing out the guy pulling the trigger or the news crew hiring someone to rig the gun to do it.

    dont worry they werent actually sorry they did it. they were just sorry they got caught. their latest news scam was doctoring the zimmerman 911 call to edit in racial epithets
     
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  16. Viking

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    Going back to what I wrote I was not white washing Remington, if they have a problem they need to address it ASAP. I know that Ruger over the years has addressed a number of safety issues, even making transfer bar kits for older SA Blackhawks that in all actuality they didn't have to do. I don't care to own a Remington rifle as I have never liked their case extraction system, on the other hand I've always liked the 870 shotguns. Far as I'm concerned no matter what your favorite firearms maker is we need to have as many as possible so we have choices. There are powers in this world that seek to eliminate all private firearms ownership so what a better place to start than one at the forefront of firearms manufacturing.
     
  17. Polygon

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    That would be my guess as well.
     
  18. Durangokid

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    This is about the long struggle with Labor Unions. Remington and Big Labor has been at odds for years. MSNBC reporters have been caught taking money from unions to sabotage their targets. Labor as always will close Remington if they reject their demands. They have OSHA charges pending agansit RAC. OSHA is the tool of Big Labor. I expect Remington to leave the country. They are making pistols and shotguns already off shore.:(

    http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=NEWS_RELEASES&p_id=21336
     
  19. Tackleberry1

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    If there was a problem with Remi Safties it would have been discovered by US long, long ago...

    The only reason to male note of this story is so your ready to straighten out your friends who might watch this drivel and believe it.

    Tack
     
  20. Bigcountry02

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    I read that report, smells big union labor all over it. Thanks for posting the OSHA article.