Remington Buckshot vs. Winchester Buckshot

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by rstarlin23, Aug 16, 2011.

  1. rstarlin23

    rstarlin23 New Member

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    I have a 12 gauge maverick 88 pump shotgun for hd. I was wondering for a self defense round should i use the remington #00 express magnum buckshot or the winchester super x 00 buckshot?
     
  2. Wambli

    Wambli New Member

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    For HD you are better off looking for some Federal (or another comparable brand) Tactical SD loads (google Tactical 00 Buckshot). Buckshot that is meant for hunting is loaded to higher velocity than what is needed at indoor distances. The tactical loads are loaded for reduced recoil and have better powders with less muzzle flash for night use.
     

  3. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    +1 on the Federal Tactical. The Remington Reduced Recoil buckshot patterns about as well as the Federal for less money.
     
  4. rstarlin23

    rstarlin23 New Member

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    What if i cant find any federal rounds local, whats my next option?
     
  5. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Since you were probably typing as I was posting, check my previous post.

    We used to use Winchester 000 buck for our duty load. Hit freaky hard, but had fliers at 15 yards. The newer "tactical" or "reduced recoil" loads pattern much better.

    General rule of thumb with full power buckshot is 1" of spread for each yard to the target. The newer stuff cuts that in half or better. Velocity is less, but ALL pellets hit the intended target for better results and less liability from those pesky "fliers"
     
  6. rstarlin23

    rstarlin23 New Member

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    So with that being sad, would the Winchester SuperX 00 Buckshot be a good choice for a sd round?
     
  7. Fisherman74

    Fisherman74 New Member

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    Either one of those loads is fine, just as most 00 loads from any of the big 3. Generally, go with what works most reliably in your gun and what gives you the best pattern, out of your particular gun. Beyond that look for a good price, as long as it works for your gun.

    Generally for a self defense shotgun stick to 00 buck or a rifled slug and you are about as good to go as your going to be.

    Now that said, there are many flavors of 00 available these days, though in the end, the bad guy probably won't know the difference.

    For example, there are reduced recoil rounds available, that give very similiar performance, to the standard loads in terms of penetration and actual street results, with the added benefit of less felt recoil.

    Also, some are offered with newer wads such as Federal Flight Control, which will keep the pattern tighter a little longer, thus giving you added range.

    All that said, plain old winchester super x is just fine, just as is remington, or federal, and so are the reduced recoil and tactical loads from the big 3. Go with what works for you and your gun and what gives you confidence.
     
  8. powg

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    buck shot

    Buckshot used for home defense /hunting is always a short range proposition ...my 2 cents would be #4 buckshot ...as in more pellets on target ,realize that it's all relative ....targets are missed with buckshot! ...so I would want more pellets ..It will still do the job at historic buckshot distances for defense and hunting . I use #4 buck for hog hunting and if need be defense of home .....a 300 lb boar is alot tougher than any bad guy and #4 buckshot kills 'em dead !
     
  9. RMc

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    Your listed choices:

    Remington Express 00B:
    .325" soft lead pellets, coarse poly buffer, Power Piston one piece shotcup wad.

    Winchester SuperX 00B:
    Nominal .33" soft lead pellets, coarse poly buffer, overpowder wad and fiber filler wads, no shotcup (pellets exposed to bore scrub flattening - prone to bore leading).

    For short range defense- under 50 feet , there has been no change in buckshot effectiveness since the invention of the self contained shotshell.

    For longer range use and hunting from choke bore shotguns, today's best buckshot loads are far more effective at 40 yards than most people will acknowledge.
     
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  10. ninjatoth

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    Remington isn't very good except for right up close,I have tried it at 25 yards out of an unchoked barrel and it's only 66% hits on 30"paper.Look for Hornady 00 buckshot,the critical defense,superformance etc is all the same,that stuff will hit 100%@25 yards with no choke,that's really good,I know this because I pattern'd them myself.
     
  11. spittinfire

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    I've been using Federal reduced recoil in my HD shotgun with good results out of an 18.5" barrell.
     
  12. 303tom

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  13. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    try out several different brands and types to see what works best in your gun for you. a lot of difference is in the barrel length and type of choke your shotgun has. my barrel length and choke, and everyone elses may be different than yours. just go out do some shooting and try some different ammo out and have a good time. i always have a good time trying out different ammo, because even a bad day of shooting still beats a good day at work!
     
  14. RMc

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    Well...

    ...at ranges under 50 ft. that is home defense - any buckshot load that functions reliably in your shotgun will do the job.
     
  15. Werminator

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    I use standard shot for HD. My rational is this... If I shoot someone in the confines of my home it should be justified regardless the type of ammo I use, but if I shoot him with buckshot it is obvious I was keeping my weapon loaded with a specific kind of ammo designed with a specific kind of intent. If my actions ever fell under legal scrutiny I want the ability to say I used a game load because it was the ammo I had in the house as the result of a hobby and not the buckshot load because I thought I could have to shoot someone... I realize this is a weak justification but at the inside a house range I think birdshot from my 12ga. will do the job just as well as any other and not necessarily demonstrate an intent for human harm... I am fortunate however to live in Missouri which is a good state for firearms owners... We have some pretty lenient gun laws and I feel as though my choice of ammo would not in itself be a reason to put my actions on trial...
     
  16. spittinfire

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    I'm going to disagree here. While a face full of bird shot would definately darken his day, it may not kill him and then you have that possible legal battle to deal with. If you like in an area where you can keep a shotgun justifiably loaded for reasons other then HD, then you can justify keeping it loaded with buckshot. Got coyote? :D
     
  17. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Self defense and home defense with a firearm is still legal (in most areas) in the US of A. To shoot someone in defense of yourself and your family is a horrible thing. If that person is still alive to sue you, you will regret using birdshot. That is a BIG "IF". Youl do not shoot to kill. You do not shoot to "stop". You shoot to live. Failing to disable the intruder does little to keep you alive. You run significant risk of just pissing him off.

    USE BUCKSHOT. EVEN #4 buck is better than birdshot.
     
  18. RMc

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    Even in...

    ...California buckshot is legal for deer hunting.