Remington and that "Family Traditions" stuff

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by chloeshooter, Oct 23, 2012.

  1. chloeshooter

    chloeshooter New Member

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    Okay, I know she's (kind of) pretty. I get it. And she puts on lipstick after she shoots the deer. I get it. But HEY, REMINGTON: Improve the quality of your product, be innovative and don't forget what got you that great reputation you used to have!

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    It does nothing for me when I see this contrived, stero-typed "hunting family" with kid's names like "Gunner". C'mon, let's get real! Stop throwing this model wanna-be stuff at us and start making your darn trigger guards out of metal again! lol

    I own 2 Remington shotguns and 2 Remington deer rifles - all over ten years old. I am not sure if I would buy a new Remington product these days? I certainly wouldn't just because they have a quasi-model-type spokesperson. (Sorry, Haley). I mean, if you are gonna go after my libido, she needs to hunt in the nude.

    I'm not the kind of guy that buys a product or drinks a beer because there is a "hot" chick in the ad, or a muscle car, or big 'ol truck in the picture. I want to know how good the product is - and in Remington's case, I think they have lost some quality over the years.

    I say, less glitz and more gun from the nation's oldest gun maker.
     
  2. hardluk1

    hardluk1 Active Member

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    Soooo true. No family tradition here to a firearm company. Exept dan wesson early days. Nice buck.
     

  3. Khromo

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    I've been a pistol shooter all my life, so I don't know anything about what Remington used to be, but I jumped in this year when those iron sights started to disappear on me! Being a southpaw, I decided to buy a few 700's to test the waters. I bought two at the beginning of the summer to get started with, and two more this fall when the lefties became available.

    The .308 Varmint SF shoots five shot groups under 0.50", the .223 SPS Stainless shoots 0.60" groups, and the .308 SPS Varmint LH shoots under 0.50" groups. None of those rifles have seen a gunsmith.

    The fourth rifle hasn't been to the range yet, as it shares a scope with the SPS Varmint.

    That's not bad, considering I've only been shooting rifles since July. A real rifle shooter could do a lot better, I'm thinking. The finish on the SPS Varmint is like sandpaper, and the scope base needed a lot of shimming to get it straight, but that accuracy is legitimate and consistent. I think for the price, that is a pretty decent product.

    I don't take the advertising seriously. That stuff is aimed at Mouth-Breathers, not at me.



    IS IT?!?! Because if that ad was aimed at me, I would be OFFENDED!!! Those dirty #%^&**&%$#**(()^$'s!!!
     
  4. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Progress marches on. "Blue steel and walnut" have been replaced by newer, cheaper and better materials.

    Instead of fighting improvements, embrace them.
     
  5. Old_Crow

    Old_Crow New Member

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    But they have to be improvements. Throughout the history of Remington they have either sold their best designs or butchered them somehow.
     
  6. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I've owned "OLD" 700s that wouldn't group any better than 1.5 inches no matter what you fed them. And new ones that will group 3/4 inch no matter what you feed them.

    I consider that an improvement.

    I've had "OLD" wooden stocks that had to be rebedded every 4 or 5 years. And new plastic ones that never have to be rebedded. That's an improvement.

    Granted, not all change is good. But most of Remington's changes have been good.
     
  7. Old_Crow

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    I have never owned a Remington bolt action rifle in my life, I doubt I ever will. I have owned several Remington Woodmaster semi-auto rifles in my life. They all were as accurate as any gun I have ever owned. But they had one fault, seldom have I seen a woodmaster that would empty a five shot clip without a malfunction.

    I have owned plenty of Remington shotguns. They are definitely going downhill. The quality of todays Remington shotguns is horrid. It's sad when a Interstate (Nonrinco Reminton knock off) is an upgrade to the current Remington Express shotguns. Yet the price keeps going up on Remington products.
     
  8. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    so many times i see this crap about how Remington's quality is slipping! funny in all the gun stores and pawn shops i frequent, i seem to fail at finding thse lemons that all these people are saying are on the shelves. hmmmm... you would think that if that many crappy Remingtons are out there, like all these people on the internet keep talking about, you would think i could find at least one! also funny thing is i have a few new remingtons over the last couple of years, and they function well, and shoot very accurately. funny, because of all the internet rumours and myths, i though they would shoot crappy. funny, either i am very fortunate as to luck upon the very best that Remington has made, or most of those rumours and myths are pure BS! :rolleyes:
     
  9. dog2000tj

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    if you're unhappy with Remington's products why don't you buy from another manufacturer? :confused:


    it's not like they are the only ones who make rifles :rolleyes:
     
  10. Old_Crow

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    I own one Remington Shotgun that was made well before the express was a dream. You could dump a truckload of new Remington rifles and shotguns in my driveway and I would sell them for scrap if needed to clear my driveway. From my remarks if you think I would buy a new Remington you might need medical attention.
     
  11. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    Old Crow, i have to disagree. all these stories about Remington's quality slipping, is just something i haven't seen. and a person would think that with as many of these rumours and myths floating around, that if they were true, i would have seen some of them crappy Remingtons.

    now granted the synthetic stocked firearms are more utilitariun in appearance, but still, most people buy those to hunt with and don't want a beautiful gun to get dinged and scratched up when hunting. the BDL's and CDL's i have looked at were just as nice, IMO opinion as those i lokked at many, many years ago. very nice wood stocks, beautiful blueing and very handsome in appearance.
     
  12. USEBOTHHANDS

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    i agree 100%.

    but if you want that "old wood" look, like i prefer, you are gonna pay for it. the newer models "might" be lighter, and might be more resistant to "dings," but the price shows the economical value of the firearm, too. you just can't beat the BDL's and CDL's FINE look and finish though!

    agreed, that Remington was once a better firearm's manufacturer, but there still are some great models out there........the model 700, 1100, and 870 being 3 of those. and if i am not mistaken, there is a warranty with the firearms. BUT, as i said earlier, be prepared to pay for those models......(except the 870, because it is STILL one of the most economical and best pump shotguns around).
     
  13. Blueguns

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    A 10 year old 870 is far better than a new one in my book. Remington is on its way down, and heading there fast.

    If you can't tell by my name, I've always been more of a blued steel and walnut kinda guy. Remington seems to be moving in the other direction, so I probably won't be buying many Remington guns.
     
  14. Blueguns

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    I don't think they aren't accurate, or that they jam frequently, I think the craftsmanship of a current Remington gun is sub-par.
     
  15. USEBOTHHANDS

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    again, it just depends on whatchu wanna pay for an "above-par" Remington firearm. ;)
     
  16. Old_Crow

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    Remington put me away from their semi-auto shotguns with the 1100 and the gas ring configuration. Every semi-auto remington shotgun I have owned was made well before I was born. If it's not a humpback Remington made on the original patent I don't want it. That is my stance on Remington and it always has been.

    I have owned Remington 870's to shoot skeet with but they were all graded models. Not your 870 Wingmaster you can buy off the shelf at Walmart. The 870's I bought were not keepers either. I bought them to resell. If you're going to shoot competitively you need a gun you love. I have never fell in love with a Remington.

    I have fell in love with Mossbergs and Brownings, not a Remington. That is why there are many brands of guns that are successful someone loves them all.
     
  17. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    Old Crow, i won't say anything derogatory about Mossbergs or Brownings. now Mossbergs IMO, were usually never as nice looking as Remingtons, but functioned well and did their job, and their price point has reflected that. now compare the Brownings, most are usually way nicer that Remingtons, and you pay for that craftsmanship. i usually paid much more in the past for used Brownings, than what i paid for a new Remington. IMO, i think Brownings would hold a better value than most Remingtons. but Remingtons are not crappy rifles, and they have just used smart marketing, that works. want a proven platform at a lesser price, then buy their lower priced matte finished, synthetic stocked firearm. it will do the job, just not near as pretty to look at. IMO, i don't think a deer is going to know the difference between a SPS M700 or a fancy CDL Deluxe M700.
     
  18. locutus

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    I've owned more than a dozen Remington rifles, and half that many semi-auto shotguns over the years.

    EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM has been top-o-the line.

    The new 1100s are the best shotguns made in the USA.

    Personally, I wouldn't have any pump action shotgun as a gift, but if I ever did, it would be an 870. (and that comes from having to shoot, and teach the 870 during my LE career)

    The Remington 700 police is one of the most accurate off the shelf rifles ever made.

    Today's Remington 700 is a far better, more reliable, more accurate rifle than youir father's 700.
     
  19. hardluk1

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    Glad you think so highly of them.
     
  20. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    many of us do think highly of our firearms and when people spread rumours or myths that are not founded in truth, we can get defensive. pretty much as the same rumours running around about Hi-Point pistols. they are crap, they break, ect.,,,,, well Hi-Point does have it's flaws, they are ugly and top heavy and clunky, but, BUT, they for the most part are faily reliable and decently accurate and are one dang good value for the price. but the rumours and myths abound, and more than likely started by those who have no first hand knowledge of them. same as those started about Marlins. same BS again. and from i have seen, unfounded. same as i have seen with the Remingtons, unfounded. sort of like the story going around several years ago about the Remington M700 rifles shooting without touching the trigger. funny thing was, it was never able to be duplicated. but stories and rumours abounded on the internet about defective M700 rifles, and still come up from time to time still. IMO, and from what i have seen personally, Remington still makes some of the best firearms on the market, and i haven't seen that their quality is slipping. are there better firearms than Remington? yes there is. are there worse firearms than Remington? yes there is.