Remington 870 express tactical 4% failure to eject.

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by Thrown_hammer, Oct 28, 2012.

  1. Thrown_hammer

    Thrown_hammer New Member

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    I took my gun to the range today and fired 100 shells of federal #8 target loads to test function. Out if those I had 4 that failed to eject.

    No other problems, and with a finger flick they fell right out and I kept on rocking. Actually on two of them I tilted the gun over and they fell out.

    Never had a failure to extract, or failure to feed, and every trigger pull went boom. Also should note I racked the slide with much force each time.

    I cleaned and lubed prior to shooting, polished the chamber, and the sides of the mim extractor.

    Any tips? This is my HD shotgun, so I want it to be flawless at 100/100. The 4 that failed to eject were minor, and cleared within a second, but I need 100%...
     
  2. Virginian

    Virginian Active Member

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    Check your extractor and the rim of the shells. I have seen issues with both before.
     

  3. Thrown_hammer

    Thrown_hammer New Member

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    Good call. I got an email back from J.D. at AIP tactical, and he said basically the same thing. The extractor was "biting" the cheap target ammo, and hanging on to it.
     
  4. HockaLouis

    HockaLouis New Member

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    No Surprise There!

    Modern 870. Surprised it didn't lock closed too. How can you ever trust it again. Seriously. Sell it and get a more reliable Mossberg 500...
     
  5. Thrown_hammer

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    I ran probably an additional 25 shells of Hornady 00 buck with no issue plus some slugs. The Federal target loads had soft steel rims. I won't be using Federal target loads when it counts.

    I think Mossberg makes a fine shotgun, but I like a pistol grip stock, so for me the safety location on the 870 is placed better.
     
  6. Old_Crow

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    I like guns that work. If my mossberg hung up 4 times in a 100 rounds it would be at the shop right now. Blame the ammo for a broken gun. I shoot a lot of sporting clays. I don't recall my Mossberg ever biting into a case rim or malfunctioning in any way.

    What's funny is I am about 75% of the shooter I used to be. I can still shoot any 870 express into a malfunction. They just can't take it when someone shoots em so fast it's hard to count the shots
     
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  7. Thrown_hammer

    Thrown_hammer New Member

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    After I put 100 rounds of Hornady 00 through it I will make the call.

    I didn't "blame" cheap ammo, I simply started what occurred, and the response I got from a Swat certified Remington Law Enforcement armorer.

    The failure to eject happened about every 20-30 rounds. If I am 20-30 rounds into a HD situation while using bird shot things have gone horribly wrong...

    I understand people are very passionate about certain brands, and I appreciate every ones concerns.
     
  8. Underdog

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    I have 2 newer 870's and they both do the same thing as yours. But mine do it about 30% of the time and it's with federal and winchester target loads. They refuse to eject the shells and it is very frustrating at best. I've had them apart and cleaned and inspected them both, they still refuse to eject every few rounds. I've since switched to a mossberg 500 and it runs like a top, no problems at all. My 870's see no use at all now and sit in my safe. I'd like to sell them but don't want to pass a problem onto someone else, thats just the way I am. Maybe someday I can find a fix for them.
     
  9. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You get what you pay for.

    Never had a malfunction of any kind with my Benelli M-2.:)

    Never had, or saw a malfunction on the range with the department's Remington 1100s either.

    Saw many, many malfunctions with 870s. Mostly folks short stroking them.
     
  10. PlasticGunner

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    I took out an old 33 year old remington 870 yesterday, I bought it a few weeks ago and been itching to try it, I shot a 100 rds of that federal ammo like you have it came in a blues box, 15 rds of winchester 00 buck and 5 rds of winchester slugs all 2 3/4 with out a problem. When I lived back in northern NY and hunted a lot, I had both remington and Mossberg pumps and I do not remember ever having a shell hang up. 4 times out of 100 is odd if your giving it with force as you said.
     
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  11. 30-30remchester

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    Apparently a quite common occurance on the less expensive gun, At our trap range I have seen quite a few guys with these guns, that were beating the butt on the ground trying to get them to eject.
     
  12. Virginian

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    With the modern cheapie shells, I have seen 870s, 500s, Novas, and even a BPS being beat on the ground to eject a stuck shell. If you are having a problem, FIX IT. In the race to meet our ever increasing demand for the absolute cheapest thing that will go bang, manufacturers don't finish a lot of things as smooth as they used to. Sometimes they err in targeting no smoother than it has to be. Its not rocket science.
     
  13. Old_Crow

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    Most of the time when a pump is hanging up shipping costs more than the bad part. Sometimes the cylinder needs buffing. I don't care if you have a benelli, browning, any gun plastic is going to get stuck in the chamber. A little steel wool and elbow grease will fix that.
     
  14. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    And that's why some of us spend the extra money and buy Benellis.
     
  15. Virginian

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    I don't buy them either, and I don't own a gun that has ever had an issue, but I have fixed my share. I don't think the target market for the cheap pumps is real gun people. I wonder what percentage of 870s and/or 500s never even get shot. Just get stuck behind the bedroom door. Maybe their economic model is sound - fix any they call about. Have to admit they are sure selling them.
     
  16. Old_Crow

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    I don't shoot as much as I used to shoot but I have always shot a pump. No I don't shoot clay with a regular 870. But the graded 870s are pretty much trouble free. Once in a blue moon a chamber gets fouled. We are talking maybe twice in 20 years. When I was really into skeet I was shooting 800 rounds a month. I have a 20 ga 500 I shoot sporting clays with. I shoot 200 rounds a month with the 20 gauge, it never fouls. I shoot both cheap shells and reloaded AA winchesters. I usually reload a hull five times.

    I am just a weird bird in choices in shotguns. When I shoot a 12 or 20 ga I want a pump. 28 ga or 410 I want a citori.

    This crazy old bird can throw 8 skeet in the air mount a maverick 88 and bust them all before they hit the ground. http://www.prlog.org/11495209-rose-hill-sporting-clays-larry-corbett-winner-in-world-tournament.html
     
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  17. gmaster456

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    I have noticed the newer 870 express are starting to have a lot more issues. Remingtons quality has dropped a lot in recent years. I've also noticed they seem to be a lot easier to short stroke. That's always been that way though. For someone who doesn't shoot a lot, I'd probably say an 870 express would be fine. But if you shoot/hunt a lot, I'd look at a Mossberg, Nova, or ithica. A bps would also be worth looking at. Or if you're set on Remington, an 870 wingmaster. I still catch myself drooling over those from time to time.
     
  18. Werminator

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    Perhaps I am one of the lucky but I have had my 870 for years and have only once had an issue with it. A shell delayed discharge (reload) for nearly 3 seconds... I know the pin struck as I heard the audible click but it was as I turned the gun toward the sky to get max force racking the slide that it trimmed a tree branch above my head... Scared the hell out of me too...
     
  19. Virginian

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    Every Remington 870 problem gets spread all over the internet. 99.9% of them appear to be a chamber not as smooth as it could be. Rather than fix it or call Remington, they go on the internet and whine. The long standing Beretta lifter problem never gets mentioned, the Benelli click gets swept under the rug. Such is the way of things. I guess when you spend a whole lot more on a gun you keep your troubles quiet.
     
  20. northhike

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    Very well put. I hunt with and shoot ocassional trap with my 870 Express. No problems and I am very confident it will go bang! Yes....others are correct in saying that attention to detail has dropped and probably less so in very expensive firearms. However there is a extreamly high volume of new 870's in the market and if you did the math the volume minus the complaints would be very, very low. Rather then "sell it" which seems to be everyone's war cry these days....just get it fixed or don't short stroke. We are masters at making everything disposable. This guy was looking for some help not asking for your opinions on the 870.