Remington 870 Disappointment

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by cmj685, Nov 26, 2012.

  1. cmj685

    cmj685 New Member

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    First post here. Recently moved to the Rockies from Minnesota where I was a competitive handgun shooter for many years and involved there with the local forum. Been looking forward for a long time to my first shotgun and finally got a Remington 870. First shell out--wouldn't extract. Took it to a local expert, a Remington armorer and gunsite instructor, who has a range and a shop and we fired a bunch of all kinds of different shells. Wouldn't extract any of them including Remington shells. Called Remington and they sent me a label to send it across the country to a gunsmith in Illinois to fix. Got the gun back--still won't extract. Called Remington and they wanted me to send it back to the factory this time. I refused and insisted they send me a new barrel since my armorer had put on two different 870 barrels and both worked flawlessly. They reluctantly agreed. Several weeks later, still no barrel. I have had this brand new gun now for six weeks and have still not been able to use it, and no strong hope for any time soon. I have heard increasingly grim news about new Remington products and I think they are likely true. The last guy I talked to at the factory told me straight out that the older barrels had far less manufacturing problems than the newer barrels and that is likely why the other two barrels worked fine on the gun. Thought that was a striking and revealing comment.
     
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  2. kfox75

    kfox75 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Welcome to the forum. When you get a minute, drop in at the introductions thread and introduce yourself the the other members.

    Have a local gunsmith look at the shotgun. In particular the ejector and the extractor. They may need adjustment, or your bolt may need a thorogh cleaning. I have never heard of a problem like this where the barrel is at fault. Just my $0.02.
     

  3. dragunovsks

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    You know I've heard a little about the newer 870's being cheaper in quality and frankly it doesn't surprise me since nothing is made like it used to be. I have an 870 express magnum, id call it newer but it was 12 yrs old when I got it last year in a family trade, never been fired or even put together. I've noticed that sometimes mine won't extract an empty.

    Is yours extracting the empty from the barrel but failing to kick it out of the receiver? Or is it failing to extract all together?

    I've got two barrels for mine, the barrel that came with it (28in rib vented with screw in choke) and an older barrel that was cut off that I use for slugs. It seems to do it with both barrels.

    I haven't had mine looked at as it doesn't do it very often.
     
  4. potentialglock

    potentialglock New Member

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    I have a Remington 870 express. Its brand new or at least its never been fires before I bought it. I put 150 shells through no problem both winchester and Remington shells. I agree that it might be the extractor/wjwctor combo not the barrel
     
  5. mountainskytop

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    My 870 bought new two years ago had the exact same problem on the second and third rounds right out of the box. Whatever the problem was it self corrected and haven't had a problem since. I carry my cleaning rod with me though so if it happens again I can push the fired shell out if the barrel! I suspect it's an extractor problem.
     
  6. HockaLouis

    HockaLouis New Member

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    I told ya so!

    I've been telling you people this for years and the 870 Rambos and Remington owners who have a psychological investment in not looking foolish will jump up and down, argue, and make every excuse they can as though they were on the assembly line...

    Remington 870's, at least, have turned to poop over the decades. It couldn't be more obvious! The maker is more concerned with buying commercial advertisements than making a simple gun (w/inherent flaws).

    With any luck the OP will get a new 870 barrel drop-shipped from Mossberg!
     
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  7. Blueguns

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    The 870's quality is diminishing quickly. Get yourself a Mossy as Hocka mentioned. Or maybe a Wingmaster from 15 years ago, if you really like 870s.
     
  8. Virginian

    Virginian Active Member

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    Horse hockey. Some Remington 870 barrels have chambers that are not as smooth as they should be. That hardly makes all Remingtons junk. Yours sounds like it has a really bad case. Either hone the chamber, or get on the phone and ask to speak to a manager in customer service and make them take care of it. I had had excellent customer service from Remington over the years, but from what i hear that has deteriorated somewhat if you talk to the wrong person. I have seen a couple of these, and either honing the chamber or replacing the barrel fixed the problem. The newer steel base shells often exacerbate the issue. I have seen 870, Mossbergs, Novas, and even a BPS being beat of the ground to extract those.
    I have seen several cracked stocks on Browning O/Us, but I don't think that makes all Brownings junk. Beretta has had carrier issues for years, but they can be fixed and they are not all junk either.
    I feel no more compunction to defend Remingtons than Hockalouis does to condemning them. Opinions are just that. I do not own an Express, as I do not do flat black or plastic on shotguns.
     
  9. Blueguns

    Blueguns New Member

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    Finally someone that understands. I simply can't stand polymer stock on a shotgun, or matte finish.
     
  10. kryptar19

    kryptar19 New Member

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    Remington up's their production every year, without extending deadlines. The end result is an increase in undesirable products.

    Buy a Mossberg 835 and be happy.
     
  11. Virginian

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    Like it or not, if a company isn't in business to make money, they will not be in business long, period. In the age of WalMart price is EVERYTHING to the vast majority of people, I think Remington cranks out Expresses and doesn't worry too much about QC, and takes care of the problems that come back. I wonder how many get stuck behind a door and never shot. If an experienced person gets an Express as a bad weather knock around gun, they usually have very few issues and if they do they fix them. The Sportings and VersaMaxes are pretty nicely made for the people who really shoot things. Again, this is just my opinion. Out of the box a Mossberg is usually smoother than an Express, no argument. My personal interest in pump guns includes only BPSs or Wingmasters; not saying there aren't others that work fine too.
     
  12. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    I always steer people away from the new 870s. I've had too many of them end up on my bench in the last year due to everything from rusting problems to jamming and failure to eject issues. Go Mossberg or get friendly with a gunsmith.
     
  13. Squawk

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    I tell everyone to stay away from the conglomerate known as Freedom Group.
     
  14. kryptar19

    kryptar19 New Member

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    +1 freedom group is the death of quality
     
  15. potentialglock

    potentialglock New Member

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    Who all is in the freedom group?
     
  16. kryptar19

    kryptar19 New Member

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    Dnt know em all, but here are some.

    Remington
    Bushmaster
    DPMS
    Marlin
    Para Ordinance


    There are a few more
     
  17. Blueguns

    Blueguns New Member

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    Another big one they got is H&R. I didn't recognize any of the other brands on their site, except for the ones you mentioned.
     
  18. kryptar19

    kryptar19 New Member

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    It's really a shame that all of these companies were acquired by them.
     
  19. gvw3

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    My son bought an 870 and shot at least 100 clays a week with it for about 6 months and never had an issue. I have heard others with the same problem as the op. Looks to be the luck of the draw.
     
  20. Squawk

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    The bigger shame is that when Freedom Group acquired Bushmaster, they laid off all/most of former Bushmaster employees and closed that factory.

    Those good people got the financing to reopen the factory and (as far as I know) keep all the employees. They are now known as Wyndham Weaponry.