remington 770

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by gomez3143, Apr 3, 2013.

  1. gomez3143

    gomez3143 New Member

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    So my brother was all excited about getting his Remington 770 today, went through the process background check and it all cleared. Did the purchase and was ready to walk out of the store when he handed me my credit card( i let him use my credit card he was short on the money). The assistant manager asked to see the card he payed with, so i handed it back to him and the manager looks at us and tell us that wasn't a legal transaction.... So we come back home and read through some forums read through the straw purchase law, and no where can we find that the way we did our transaction was illegal... so this brings me to my question. 1 Am i able to pay for the rifle even if he went through the back ground check not me.? 2 He is the "owner" of the rifle even if he's using my money to pay for it.?
     
  2. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    If the card was in your name then it is an illegal transaction.
     

  3. gearhead396

    gearhead396 New Member

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    Really? That doesn't make Sense so would it technically be illegal to hand your friend cold hard cash I mean money is money. I have used my parents cards in the past on guns with no issue I was bout to tell the op there shouldn't be an issue.
     
  4. gomez3143

    gomez3143 New Member

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    Yes, parents can buy guns for their children. if you are under 18, he must be the one to fill out the form 4473 at the dealer and undergo the NICS check.

    If you are over 18, the gun must be transferred to you directly, but its OK if the money comes from another bank account......


    i found this in another forum.. and my brother filled out the 4473 all i did was let him use my card
     
  5. NotMormon

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    Three letters come to mind.......ATM;)
     
  6. kryptar19

    kryptar19 New Member

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    You were within the law, it falls under the "gift" clause of the straw purchase law. I see this often with my customers.
     
  7. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    another point to consider, is if the FFL feels the transaction isn't right, then they can decline the transaction. the FFL holder was within his rights to decline the sale he felt was wrong whether it was or it wasn't.
     
  8. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    and just because you read it on another forum that makes it legal? was it a forum with lawyers who deal with federal and state gun laws?

    i guess you believe everything you read on the internet?
     
  9. Doc3402

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    It was not technically an illegal purchase unless there is some local ordinance we aren't aware of. I think the dealer was covering his ass for the next visit from the feds.
     
  10. gomez3143

    gomez3143 New Member

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    no i don't believe everything online i used it as an example because it was something similar to my situation.
     
  11. Nateroftheriver

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    Really nice way to add your 2 cents jackwagon
     
  12. BULLET9992

    BULLET9992 New Member

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    I only looked at this forum because of this post. Lmao! No one comes to these forums for tolls, children, or banter. So I find your comment comical & acceptable. Lol also, most people forget that laws change from state to state. While the 4473 is federally mandated, purchasing the weapon with someone else's card is still an illegal transaction. I'm in Texas, so what I would do is either fill out the form with my info & hand him the gun after purchase as a "gift", or hit the atm for cash maybe you'll have to go by the bank if the amounts you need exceeds your daily withdraw limit.
     
  13. JimRau

    JimRau Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I have been an FFL holder for over 20 years and have sold guns to people who have 'borrowed' money to buy them. What is the difference if you have them financed by a third party????:confused:
     
  14. BULLET9992

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    Again, in my comment I was speaking for federal mandated laws. The fact of the matter is that if the FFL dealer is willing to used "borrowed" money or something else similar its discretionary, as are all transactions in the private sector. Where I live I can't think of 1 gun shop that wouldn't allow for the borrowed money to pay for the firearm. Maybe Wal-Mart or other large retailers. Maybe he's in a liberal state or went to a large retailer. If not, maybe the gun store owner just didn't want his money Lmao maybe he was being audited & was being extra careful
     
  15. Doc3402

    Doc3402 New Member

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    It was a lot more constructive than your post.

    Axxe55, myself, and more than a few others are always harping about knowing your local laws instead of depending on the internet for legal advice. Why? Because it's often wrong. Even those with the best intentions can give bad advice due to a lack of familiarity with the local laws in the OP's locale.

    I see that you have a whopping total of 19 posts so far. You might want to sit back and observe for a bit to see if you can catch the feel of the forum. You obviously don't have it yet.
     
  16. natman

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    Two points: It may be a legal transaction, but I can see how it might LOOK like a straw purchase from the dealer's perspective.

    On the bright side, the dealer's refusal kept you from buying your brother a Remington 770, the worst centerfire rifle offered for sale.

    Take a look at Marlin X7, Savage Axis, Ruger American or Weatherby Vanguard/Howa 1500. All are vastly superior rifles at similar prices.
     
  17. JimRau

    JimRau Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The intended purpose of the 4473 is to show this is not a 'straw purchase'! That question is ask and you answer it up front. Who pays for the item is totally irrelevant!
     
  18. kaido

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    You know, everyone says that and makes it seem like its the worse thing since.....I'm not gonna say what I originally was since I'll get in trouble. But if his brother only wants it for plinking or as a first rifle for even hunting, it wouldn't be that bad.

    But now for the question I'm going to ask everyone who knocks the 770....have you fired enough rounds using the rifle to say that you e actually got so e type of Experience with it?
     
  19. kryptar19

    kryptar19 New Member

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    Exactly!!!
     
  20. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    partner, i call things the way i see them, plain and simple. don't like it, exit out of the conversation.

    sarcasm is one of my services i provide for free. you might want to grow some thicker skin if you expect to survive here.