Remington 700

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Vette258, Jan 14, 2011.

  1. Vette258

    Vette258 New Member

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    Sorry if this has been asked a billion times, but Im having troubles for the specific answer im looking for.

    I'm looking into buying a Remington 700 for target shooting purposes only. From a range of 100-1000. I want it in .308.

    My question is, with there being a billion different remington 700 models which ones are specifically or were somewhat made for the target shooter. Which model should I look into. Ive seen people say sps tactical or sps Varmint, is this information correct? Why are there a billion different models like this?

    Once again I apologize for this being asked over and over, but if someone could just explain briefly some differences that would help.


    Thank you:)
     
  2. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    Tactical will have a shorter barrel for less weight and more mobility.

    While varmint guns have the longer barrel, as they're not intended to be run around in the field. This gives the greater accuracy at distance.
     

  3. TimL2952

    TimL2952 New Member

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    on the contrary....tactical rifles DO have shorter barrels...BUT they are thicker and add MORE weight to the gun. this is to keep down wear on the barrel during frequent shooting and to lessen the recoil
     
  4. AusLach

    AusLach Active Member

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    A tactical barrel might be heavier than that of a sporting or hunting rifle, but I'm pretty sure that it's going to be no heavier than a varmint barrel... :rolleyes:
     
  5. ronl

    ronl New Member

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    If you're going to be shooting targets out to 1000, then get the SPS Varmint 26". If you want the best in accuracy, then get a new stock for it. I opted for a Bell& Carlson Medalist. It helped dramatically. Get decent optics, the minimum would be one of the SWFA Super Sinpers with Burris Signature Zee rings. You'll have a decent set-up that will allow you to learn on a minimum of funds.
     
  6. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    Thanks mate.

    Apparently he thinks pencil barrels make varmint guns! My 13 pound setup would blow his mind!
     
  7. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    OK First welcome to the board. Please feel free to jump over to the Introduction section and tell us a little about your self.

    Now my good man There is a HUGE difference in shooting at 100 yards to shooting at 600 yards. That difference gets even bigger at 1k. 1k yards is over 1/2 Mile you get this right?

    I do believe that both the 20" and 26" barrels have the same controur I might be mistaken on this.

    Now accuracy is not the only thing determined by barrel length. Muzzle velocity is also drastically changed with a barrel 6" shorter. In the 308 your going to lose about 20 FPS for every inch you lose off the barrel so you are already being the 8 ball losing 120 fps by going from a 26" to 20" barrel. As far as not packing a 26" barrel around a field if that was not to happen then where are there sling swivel studs on my Remington VLS? I packed that thing all over god creation ground hog hunting. I rig total is 13+# that is VLS Nikon Monarch scope sling and 13-27" bipod 6 rounds of 223 in the mag and chamber and 6 more on the but. But I digress.... The 308 while capable at targets at 1000 yards is not the be all end all 1000 yard shooting cartridge. There are tons of different calibers out there that are much better suited to shooting long distance. The big thing in shooting 1000 yards is to make sure your bullet stays super sonic all the way to the target. A 308 has a very hard time doing that even with a 175 gr bullet. You should have a 10" twist barrel on a 308 for shooting 1k this is to allow for shooting 175 gr and up bullets to help keep it going super sonic out to 1k. What are you talking about keeping it super sonic. When a bullet exits the barrel it is going faster than the speed of sound. As it travels to the target it slows down. When we get to 1140 fps (Roughly the speed of sound at sea level). It transitions to sub sonic and can be come unstable from that.

    Shooting a 308 at 1k requires many things. Good rifle, great scope, and a great shooter. How long have you been shooting? How far do you shoot? Do you have access to 1000 yard range? Not many people do.....

    If your stuck on a Remington get a 700P with 5r rifling. If you are not then get the better rifle in the savage LRPV or F-class rifles.

    Now if we can stop acting like a bunch of kids fighting over the last cupcake I think we can still salvage this thread.

    PS I have a buddy that is shooting a 6mm dasher and hitting a 18" steel at 1 mile.
     
  8. Vette258

    Vette258 New Member

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    Ive been shooting awhile, though have been just recently trying to learn all the variables in shooting long distances. I have shot before around 700yards with someones rifle and really enjoyed it. The range I would be shooting at goes to 800, 900 yards if i remember correctly. Im not trying to achieve shooting as long as possible I just want to go out to start out with and shoot for fun probably between 100 and 600 yards, and if i get the chance to try and shoot beyond that.

    From what I have heard 308 is a good starting round. I understand there a vast amount of properties that affect the outcome, twist, bullet grain, etc. etc. etc. Ive had good luck with Remington, and of course there are far superior rifles out there, but I dont need that right now.

    There are just so many 700's its confusing. If the savage LRPV is a better riffle I will look into that, I have just had good luck with Remington in the past, however if thats the case I would imagine there are a billion different Savage rifles in that class too.
     
  9. Ubergopher

    Ubergopher New Member

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    Just out of curiosity at some point in the last week or two have you seen the movie Shooter?
     
  10. Vette258

    Vette258 New Member

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    actually I haven't heard of that movie, but it would be nicer if you would be helpful instead of flaming me, and thus probably closing this thread.
     
  11. Ubergopher

    Ubergopher New Member

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    If you'd like, I could actually flame you.

    I asked because I've had about 3 or 4 co-workers talk to me (me being the gun-nut of the shop usually) and talk about how they wanna start getting into long range shooting, and most of them just watched Shooter.

    That's a pretty awesome movie btw, at least worth a rental/netflix.
     
  12. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    That was not a flame. If you want we could flame you big time. I can flame you so hard that you would cry and go suck your thumb in the corner while crying for your momma to come change your underoos....


    Lighten up..... :D
     
  13. Vette258

    Vette258 New Member

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    Sorry, you had a very informative post than to me when someone posts something like that, it comes off kinda rude to me but whatever.
     
  14. Ram Rod

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    For the 1000yd range, I'd recommend getting a heavy barrel model (VLS). I went with a Savage 110FP many years ago for the half mile shot. Got my 700VLS in 22-250 to better that on critters alone. Been a fan of the .308win for many years. My debut was in the Marine Corps with the M40A1 which was built on the Rem 700. To this day, I believe in the effectiveness of the .308win out to around 800m simply because I make my own ammo. For the urban sniper, 300m might be a long shot these days, so came about the SBR (or short barreled rifles) more duty specific. Technology breaks new ground almost every day. Twist, barrel length, bullet weight, etc....... I'm pretty much stuck with what I know, and it comes from years of experience.
    You ask a billion times what you want to know. Nobody is going to tell you it's been asked before if they are worth anything. What needs to be decided is your application more than anything. IMO...the .308win is very easy to reload for. Reloading for the bolt action is where you might find the niche you're looking for.
     
  15. Sniper03

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    Vette,

    If you are into the Remingtons that strong. And going to spend some money for the best they have. You can order a Remington 40X from the Remington Custom Shop. It will shoot! They cut the barrel until they get optimum performance. The barrels normally end up 26 inches and + in length. Not that the 308 is the optimum caliber for shooting 1000 yards. But I have a 40X in 308 and have shot it many times out to a 1000 yds in the past E-Silhouette Pop-Up Targets.

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  16. Vette258

    Vette258 New Member

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    Im not stuck on a specific make at all :) I just dont want to spend a huge amount money initially, if I continue to proceed in shooting long range I will look into a high end rifle. I just thought a remington 700 was a good platform to start out on for a reasonable price
     
  17. willfully armed

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    These are my varmint rifles. CZ550 308 and Howa 1500 .223(although I havent gotten the M1 turrets on the 308 yet.)

    [​IMG]
     
  18. ronl

    ronl New Member

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    .308 is a fine round to start with. It is accurate and the ammo is plentiful. Just get the 26" SPS and a decent scope and start shooting. If you are on a tight budget then get a Vortex Crossfire 6-24x50 from SWFA for $99. It will get the job done. Thr great thing about the 700 platform is the easily available upgrades. Get the rifle, start shooting and enjoy the learning experience. You can upgrade the rifle as you become more proficient.
     
  19. Vette258

    Vette258 New Member

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    Thank you for the great post, that is exactly what I was looking for in a post. :D




     
  20. sniper762

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    UBERGOPHER, if you liked the movie, "the shooter" you should read steven hunter's novel "point of impact" and it sequils that the movie was based on.