Rem 700 SPS vs. WBY Vanguard

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by JPB, Dec 3, 2010.

  1. JPB

    JPB New Member

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    Hey, im looking for some advise on the 700 SPS and the WBY Vanguard.

    Anybody tried them both looking for some pros and cons.

    Keep in mind that the factory stock with be changed

    TKS
     
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  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Might do some poking around, as this has been discussed quite a bit. Some standard questions that you need to help us to help you are:

    What do you want the rifle to do for you? Hunter? Competition? Plinker? Benchrest?

    What caliber and what is your expected level of performance with the piece? Are you expecting to shoot cloverleafs at 500 yards, or do you want to bust clay pigeons at 100 yards with your buddies?

    What is your budget for the gun? And what is the budget for the whole package ( scope, rings, base, ammo ).

    Plenty of good info here, but we need some more input to be able to advise with any true sense.

    JD
     

  3. JPB

    JPB New Member

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    Sorry, it was kind of vague.:rolleyes:

    Here is the situation, I am looking to "build" a new rifle. 300WM, 300RUM, 300wby, or 338WM. I have another thread to discuss this.

    However depending on what I discover from your experiances/knowledge on these models, it may possibly rule out some of these cals. for me.

    So, im looking for a rifle for hunting bruins and moose.

    I do visit range often and do my own reloads.

    As far as accuracy, something I can keep under MOA @ 100.
    Also something that i can reach out there 300-500yds with decent amount of takedown power.

    As for my budget im looking to piece a package together for under a grand.

    I do my shopping online, so I can shave of some expence there.

    Hope this helps you help me :D

    TKS:cool:
     
  4. jpattersonnh

    jpattersonnh Active Member

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    If your looking to build, look at the Howa barreled actions. Same as the Weatherby Vangaurd.
    Howa Rifles

    BTW, That is allot of rifle for our Eastern Moose and bears. .300WM would be more than enough.

    Also, check out Boyds stocks. I bought a thumbhole for my sons Swede 6.5x55 and a classic for my Swede/FN 8x57 large ring.
     
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  5. rifleman55

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    Check out my write up on why you should buy a Savage rifle. For the price, which is well under your range, I doubt you will find a better rifle.

    The WB's are expensive and the Rems keep going down hill, Savage just keeps getting better.

    As a retired Gunsmith, I have worked on all of them and there are many good rifles out there, it's just that many company's have been cutting corners in the last year or two.

    They are not making the same quality rifle you used to be able to buy.
    It's the sad truth. The ecomomy and trying to keep costs down to maximize profits is the main cause of the cheapening of many rifle brands.

    John K
     
  6. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    The Weatherby Mark V is expensive the Vanguard/Howa are not.

    If you are wanting to build a rifle Either the Savage or the Howa/Vanguard is the way to go. Both are much better actions over all that the Remington.

    JD has a great write up about the remington and Howa action stickied at the top of this section.
     
  7. rifleman55

    rifleman55 New Member

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    I agree that the Howa is also a great rile. The only problem with the Howa is it's not as easy to re barrel as the Savage and the shank of the barrel is cut in metric threads which is somtimes are of a pain to cut. More adjustments to the lathe for the gunsmith.

    I built a Howa in 22-250. It was not all that tough, but the Savage is a breeze compared to the Howa to upgrade.

    Also with the Savage, if you want to get one to re barrel and upgrade, get the double port action, they take the largest diameter barrel for varnent and long distance use.

    John K
     
  8. jpattersonnh

    jpattersonnh Active Member

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    Are you sure you don't work for Savage??
    I own 1 Savage, it is a great rifle, but my Howa is far better IMHO.
    Remember, it is a hunter, so weight is a consideration.
     
  9. JPB

    JPB New Member

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    I have handled a vanguard, but not a Howa, I have heard that they are pretty much the same rifle, right?

    What I have in my head right now is:

    338 win mag vanguard with knoxx axiom stock to help with recoil (I weigh 165 :))

    What do you think of this combo.

    This will leave me a few $$ for a nice scope and any smithing i need done.....

    TKS
     
  10. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Quoted for truth.

    JD
     
  11. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    If a smith can't cut threads then I don't want him working on my rifle.

    Who the hell shoots varmints with a 338wm? That is one hell of a varmint round. I didn't know they made 220gr V-Max bullets.

    I know one guy that shoots varmints with a 300RUM well I should say shoots at them. He can't hit anything because of the recoil.

    Good lord dude lay off the fanboy tude as it will get you nowhere around here.
     
  12. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Why do you need a 338 Win Mag for hunting in North America? Or is this a Cape gun or something? That is a LOT of lead, with a HUGE recoil in a hunting gun unless you are going after Godzilrah. :eek:

    I am going to probably step on a couple of toes here, but to try and do a hunting rifle "build" for "under a grand".

    No, if you want knock down power, and you want a lightweight rifle, take a look at this:

    Howa 1500: .338 Win Mag / HGR63412 / $650.00 MSRP
    Barrel 24", Length of Pull 13.87", Overall Length 46.50", Weight* 7.75 lbs

    That will leave some money for a scope, rings and some ammo.

    To achieve "Minute of Animal" kill shots is going to be no problem for this package.

    To get into the world of "Sub Minute of Angle", you are going to have to do some work to just about ANY factory rifle and you are probably going to want to think about reloading.

    "Sub-Moa" rifles out of the box exist, but the fine print says "0.99" which fits the definition, but is far from what we commonly talk about in this regard.

    Best of luck in your decision and good luck.

    JD
     
  13. JPB

    JPB New Member

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    Tks for all your input guys.

    Yeah I realize that a 338 is a heavy round. Just that I had a close call this fall with a large bruin with a 30-06, no doubt my bad, 150yds quartering away in a corn field, went through one lung and into oposite shoulder. Waited aprox 20 min. then went to find him. Lets just say that he wasnt happy to see me. I now enjoy the rug. He weighed in at 432lbs. nice rug:)

    Its just because of this that im looking for a heavier round, but the 300 WM is flatter more practical, and may might serve my purpose better.

    I will need a couple more days to decide I guess.
    :)

    TKS JPB
     
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