reloading equipment complaint

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by Crazycastor, May 19, 2013.

  1. Crazycastor

    Crazycastor New Member

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    My father in law finally got his reloading equipment in that he ordered back in November. I went over there to see how everything was going. He had ordered the RCBS rock chucker supreme kit and dies for his .223. He ordered it through Brownell's. I was helping him set up his dies that he already had out and on his bench. I had already polished his brass at my house for him. Went through all the steps getting the first resizing die set up no problem. Resized all his brass and knocked out the primers. Cleaned the primer pockets and started setting up the powder drop for the Varget I bought him. Had problems with the RCBS beam scale that came with the kit. Very difficult to use compared to a digital scale that I use. Got all that working and the powder drop set to 25 grains. Went to put the primers in using the RCBS hand primer and it wasn't lining up with the brass. It kept hitting the side of the brass and destroying the primer. Ok figured I would try the press primer feature and it wasn't lining up either. Went back to the hand primer and got 10 primer in the pockets but they looked like crap. Rechecked the bullet holder and yep its a number 10. Put powder in 10 cases, adjusted the seat using a factory bullet. Put the case in the press with bullet and made 10 bullets with fine adjustments. I'm still not satisfied with the primer tools so I checked the box the dies came in to see if it says #10 bullet holder and it says #3. I then noticed that the dies are for 22-250. I don't know what a 22-250 looks like so I ask my father in law about the dies and he said that is what they sent him and he said it would work. Well we made 10 rounds and I used the digital calipers and checked out every measurement accordinaly to the books and its accurate but I'm not happy with his set up and ordered another set of dies from RCBS that hopifully say .223 on the box. I also ordered another bullet holder thinking that this one is off making the primers hard to put in. Just complaining I guess because I pieced my kit together and everything works great but he bought his as a kit and everything is frustrating to use and both are mostly made up of RCBS pieces.
     
  2. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Please note dimensional differences. Dies do not interchange.

    Now, I am trying to understand what went on in your post- been a long day (GREAT wedding) and I am bone tired.

    Either somebody ordered the wrong thing, or you were shipped the wrong thing. Which is which, I have not a clue. However, I AM going to offer some advice- you and your dad need to do some study before you operate the equipment. Standard reference that I tell EVERY reloader to get is The ABCs of Reloading.
     

  3. Crazycastor

    Crazycastor New Member

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    I've been reloading for a couple of months and do understand pretty much most things that relates to reloading. But I didn't see the box the dies came in until afterwords. Whats wierd is that the dies actually worked reloading the .223.
     
  4. kingrider

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    I agree with c3shooter. The ABC's of reloading are a must read for new loaders. Dies are not interchangeable!!! The rounds you loaded most likely won't chamber.
     
  5. nitestalker

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    If you don't know the difference in .22-250 and .223 dies you need to study reloading. Try taking the NRA Basic reloading course.:)
     
  6. Vikingdad

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    Actually no. You don't and they didn't. When you are starting out reloading it is imperative that you fully understand what you will be doing before you start, then walk through every step of the process step-by-step as you go using the manual as your guide.

    The dies are stamped with the caliber they are made for. I check this every time I change dies, and I check each die in a set to make sure nothing got mixed up. I even do this when I am changing my die holders on my Dillons.

    They do not "work" with any other caliber. As to the shell holders, some manufacturers have different die numbers for different calibers. Maybe that is what happened?
     
  7. Crazycastor

    Crazycastor New Member

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    Yea I didn't look at the die set to make sure it was .223. But has anyone experience having problems with getting the primers in and do you think the shell holder could be machined wrong
     
  8. nitestalker

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    The .223 and most center fire intended for semi auto or full auto fire have crimped in primers. You must ream or swag the primer pockets to remove the crimp before inserting the new primer. RCBS sells an easy to use pocket swager. Failure to remove the crimp results in crushed or broken primers. :(
     
  9. bigjim

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    The only thing that's the same is the bullet size (.224) If you re sized the cases (.223) with the 22-250 die then they are no longer 223's but 22-250 cases with the wrong head stamp on them. They should not work in your 223 rifle, you will notice I said SHOULD not work. But any thing can and does happen. I would not feel comfortable about putting them in the rifle and shooting them (but I could be wrong), but would wait till the 223 dies come in and re-size then with that set of dies. Yes, you will lose the primers but that is cheaper than losing the rifle.

    Jim

    If you were using new brass, you might get away with using them since the base of the case (head) was not re-sized, not sure what the neck and shoulder will do however.
     
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  10. -06

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    If you do not have an "eraser" then you should purchase one. It is a hammer looking thing that pulls your "mistakes" with a sharp whack onto a hard surface. Pop that boolit out, save the powder, and start over with the correct size die.
     
  11. PanBaccha

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    Don't know a thing about reloading. Wish I could. Maybe one day. But I came across this video the other day in fact, and found it quite interesting.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/Watch?v=irC3NuIKDm4&feature=youtube[/ame]
     
  13. JonM

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    You must use the #10 holder for 223/556 a number 3 is for 22-250 and will result in non centered primers. If your using a number 10 and getting crushed primers you need to de-crimp the primer pockets.

    I would also call rcbs. Their customer service is superb and they will help you get the right parts.
     
  14. c3shooter

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    If you put a .223 case in a #3 shell holder, the case head is the wrong diameter. The primer pocket will not be centered over the primer, and it is not surprising that primers would be mashed, bent, etc.

    If you ran .223 cases through a 22-250 die, they are not safe to fire. They were NOT sucessfully reloaded.
     
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  15. JonM

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    Did you mean #3??

    EDIT BY C3 WHOOPS! YES I DID ! CORRECTING MY POST! THX JON!
     
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  16. Crazycastor

    Crazycastor New Member

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    Ok, we are tossing the 10 bullets we made. Going to use the bullet hammer and retrieve the bullets/powder and toss the brass. Might not even use the bullet heads. Apparently they sent him the wrong dies. I thought only military brass had the crimp in the primer area but I guess I was wrong on that one for sure. Still not convinced the bullet holder #10 was made right. Hope I can find a reamer for the primer pocket locally, course it really doesn't matter since the right size dies are on back order. But I appreciate your guys help. Back to the studies of reloading 101.
     
  17. nitestalker

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    The "Hammer" thing is an inertia bullet puller. :)
     
  18. kingrider

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    Don't toss your brass! A good full length sizing with the proper die might salvage them. If you don't want to wait on the backordered dies, ebay has a ton of them right now.
     
  19. JonM

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    The sizer die centers the cartridge on the shell holder, since you were using the wrong die there is prolly nothing wrong with the shell holder.

    One note: sometimes the shellholder fits REALLLLLY tight into the ram and it is possible to have it not fully seated in place as well. Its also possible to have shipping grease in the seating ring of the ram where the shell holder sits. Clean it real good and make sure its firmly in place
     
  20. Crazycastor

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    After loiking at the brass trying to get the primers in it. We bent the end of the brass where the bolt would grab and eject the brass. I think if we got the primer reamer and the right dies along with a digital scale we will bein business. I'm going to check out ebay for some used dies. If I find some what are some thinks to look out for on used dies?