Red Dot question

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by ccase39, May 14, 2013.

  1. ccase39

    ccase39 New Member

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    I have 0 experience with red dot scopes. I recently purchased one and took it to the range and sighted it in. I got it pretty dead on but it is inconsistent because of the way the dot moves around and is not center in the scope. If I move my head in the slightest the dot moves off center. After taking a couple of shots and hitting the target where I want to it is pretty accurate, but when I go to reload and shoot again its like I have to take a few shots and find the target and hold the dot in that position within the scope. How do you guys shoot these things? Seems like there is a lot of play in the scope. Could I line it up directly on top of the iron sight?

    BTW this is the reticle I see
    http://www.riflescopes.webyshops.co...ated-Red-Green-T-Dot-Reticle-730132P-Pic1.jpg

    I have only shot with crosshairs until now. I also have a Vortex Strykfire on the way which I will probably wind up sending back if I can't get this straightened out.
     
  2. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Some sights are more prone to parallax. Try co-witnessing.
     

  3. johnr1943

    johnr1943 New Member

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    Have you tried a bore site? Great place to start. IRRC a red dot is not for pinpoint accuracy. Make sure every thing stays snug and tight. They tend to loosed sooner or later.
     
  4. ccase39

    ccase39 New Member

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    My iron sights are dead on. I have never tried bore sighting. I may just send this back and get a crosshair that has a lighted reticle option. The think I liked about the Vortex is that it has a doubler that you can attach so I can use my iron sights through the 1x and use the doubler if I need it. I want to be able to use my iron sights.
     
  5. JJAMISON

    JJAMISON New Member

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    i have an Aimpoint PRO on my duty rig (Daniel defense Mk18) and i sighted it in and have had no issues.

    and like said above, the rds scopes are not for pinpoint accuracy. they are for combat quick fire stuff.

    i would sell that rds to a friend and put out the money and buy an Aimpoint product or EoTech.
     
  6. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    Where you say when you move your head the slightest and the dot moves, well, thats the way all red dots and holographics work. That is what makes them fast to sight in on a target. And where ever that dot is, it is supposed to be the true point of aim at, no matter where it sits in relationship to your iron sights.
    Cheaper red dot sights move around or float even after your rifle is zeroed in, while an expensive sight will stay true for years. If you are only hitting things when you are seeing -co-witness through the dot and the sights, and then it wont hold zero if you move your head a tad left or right or up or down, then the glass on your scope more than likely isn't a perfect plain.
    A lot of play in the scope, do you mean how it is mounted, is it able to move around after it has been tightened down.? A good quality mount will hold its zero even after you remove the mount and put it back on again. Same place every time. A cheap mount won't.
     
  7. AgentTikki

    AgentTikki New Member

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    What you are referring to is parallax. Relax, it's normal. I kinda freaked out when I noticed the same thing when I first got my Eotech.

    The Eotech stabilized at distances over 5 meters/15 feet. My Aimpoints about the same.

    Set your sight down, and then sight it on an object maybe 20 feet away. The reticle will not move if you shift your head from side to side.

    I know its weird, but its just the way the sights work.




    The only way to completely get rid of parallax is to have two points to reference your sight picture, ie front sight post and rear site aperature. If you have a red dot you can use your front site post as a second reference point when getting your sight picture. At distances like 5 meters, you probably won't be using a sight anyways. WELL I guess you would if you were trying to shoot an apple off your friends head, or a fly on the wall.
     
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  8. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    Thanks RikkiTikki :D

    just focus on the target and the dot, ignore your front sight post. Where ever the red dot is, thats where the bullet will hit, (once Zeroed at distance)
     
  9. Dearhunter

    Dearhunter Supporting Member Supporter

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    I basically bring my AR up and place my cheek in the same place each time I shoot. Plus I my Vortex red dot is co-witness with the front sight. I keep both eyes open at all times and it gives me fast sighting coverage. Vortex has 0 parallax after 50 yards anyway.
     
  10. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    A lot of the inexpensive Red Dot Sights have an extreme amount of Parallax with the Reticle.
    Shooting them at 100 yards for example could mean the group could span up to around 4 - 6 inches while holding the same cheek weld.
    The better models like the Pro Points, Aim Points, EOTechs and others the dot moves but have little if any Parallax. So the shots are consistent. And another reason the Dots are smaller. The EOTech for example has a 1 MOA Dot. Which only covers 1 inch at 100 yards. Some have up to 4 MOA Dots. Of course the better ones are more money. I guess if one is using one for close in shots like 50 yards or less it would have little importance if you had a 4" group for example. You are combat/tactical shooting not placing a precise shots not at longer ranges.

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  11. therewolf

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    I've stopped trying for MOA performance from

    Red Dots. I still find them useful for hunting in

    short brush with carbines because they are fast on target.
     
  12. bamashooter68

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    I don't have a problem getting 1'' and sometimes better groups with my Eotech. One of the reasons I really like it. Its got the ability to get on target quickly and the ability with the 1moa dot to shoot accurately.
     
  13. ccase39

    ccase39 New Member

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    Thanks guys, really helpful. Im going back to the range tomorrow and will see how it goes.
     
  14. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    As was said before, keep both your eyes open, and you will get used to it. The first time is always a trip.
     
  15. ccase39

    ccase39 New Member

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    So I got my Vortex in today. Seems like its not nearly as bad as the current scope I have on. I am going to try it out tomorrow. Im curious to see how the doubler works out.
     
  16. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    I have read that the Vortex Strikefire is the best bang for the buck in affordable red dot scopes. Hope it works out for ya, and post some pics, we like pics :)
     
  17. ccase39

    ccase39 New Member

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    Took it out today and got it sighted in. The Vortex is MUCH better than the one I had on before. It was dead center the first shot I fired and about 4 inches low, after shooting one more group I had it nailed dead center. I am really impressed with this thing. Shooting tight groups consistently. I was a bit skeptical about the doubler attachment but again I was impressed. It held its accuracy. I have no complaints with this one.
     
  18. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    I have but one complaint. Where is your pics or this didn't happen :p
     
  19. ccase39

    ccase39 New Member

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    Ok all I have right now is my phone, but here it is. This is my first. This is the one I bought so I will have a frame of reference of what to build or buy in the future. I got the quad rail but not the free float because I wanted to see how it felt and how I would like it before I dished out money one it. I probably won't get a quad next time but I will get some sort of free float mid length or barrel length. As far as shooting paper I do like the bipod but I could take or leave the for grip. This is my rifle that will give me an idea on what to do next. I really like this Vortex, and for what I do I don't need to spend any more money on a higher quality one. I may get a crosshair one day and shell out some cash for it, but as far as the RDS this one is perfect for me. I don't have a picture of it with the doubler but it only extends about an inch once its screwed in to the eyepiece. I am going to keep this one and try to sell my other one on ebay or something. Btw my other one is a Sun Optics. Not a big fan. Thanks for all your advice
     

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  20. AgentTikki

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    BTW.....I love the baby blanket, pretty fitting for you first AR !!!! :D