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I'm looking to get one. What kind do you have? Which scope did you mount onto it? Thanks for you input.
recommend a .308/7.62 caliber
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That is a pretty big and broad request there, mister. Are you interested in a bolt action, Semi- auto, Military design, hunting, precision, scout, etc.
If you are looking to put some glass on it, I presume you want a MOA rifle?
You may or may not be able to get that kind of accuracy out of a Mil design w/o spending $2K.
I guess more info is needed before I get into a long winded post.
If you are looking to put some glass on it, I presume you want a MOA rifle?
You may or may not be able to get that kind of accuracy out of a Mil design w/o spending $2K.
I guess more info is needed before I get into a long winded post.
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I"m looking for a semi auto (like an AR style). I want more throw down power. I also want to be able to use it for long range so I can shoot at 300+ yards
http://www.smithenterprise.com/index.html
An M14 is a much better platform to do what you're looking to do.
An M14 is a much better platform to do what you're looking to do.
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or maybe the g3/cetme or clones, like a ptr-91. That thing is nice and can fulfill multiple duties!
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How about the springfield MIA? Anyone have one of them?
They're an M14 too. You'll save a little cash by getting Springfield over the Smith, but you get what you pay for. Avoid the Springfield SOCOMs though.
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I always wanted an AR-10 but fell into an HK-91 instead.
HK- solid platform. Hammer forged barrels. Reliable, no gas system to foul. Can be rough on .308 brass. Intended for NATO ammo even though marked .308. Not the easiest (or cheapest) to scope. Mags cheap >$5 each
CETME- HK's daddy. More affordable. Even more rough on .308 brass than HK. Most use HK mags.
M-14/M-1A- solid, accurate, wide variety of options from SOCOM to NM. Easier to scope than HK/CETME. Better trigger. Good mags are expensive.
FN- Know what you are getting (Inch or Metric). Mags not interchageable and not as cheap as HK. Adjustable gas system has a learning curve. Reportedly not as accurate as HK or M-14 but that is arguable.
AR-10- Varying reports of reliability. Many are VERY accurate. Many AR-15 parts will interchange. Depending on the maker they use different mags modified from different platforms. Mags not cheap and may be difficult to find.
Even though I have an HK and a CETME, if I had to start over I would get a service grade M-1A or maybe a national match.
HK- solid platform. Hammer forged barrels. Reliable, no gas system to foul. Can be rough on .308 brass. Intended for NATO ammo even though marked .308. Not the easiest (or cheapest) to scope. Mags cheap >$5 each
CETME- HK's daddy. More affordable. Even more rough on .308 brass than HK. Most use HK mags.
M-14/M-1A- solid, accurate, wide variety of options from SOCOM to NM. Easier to scope than HK/CETME. Better trigger. Good mags are expensive.
FN- Know what you are getting (Inch or Metric). Mags not interchageable and not as cheap as HK. Adjustable gas system has a learning curve. Reportedly not as accurate as HK or M-14 but that is arguable.
AR-10- Varying reports of reliability. Many are VERY accurate. Many AR-15 parts will interchange. Depending on the maker they use different mags modified from different platforms. Mags not cheap and may be difficult to find.
Even though I have an HK and a CETME, if I had to start over I would get a service grade M-1A or maybe a national match.
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If you want a semi, check out any of the reputable M14/M1A platforms. LRB Arms and Springfield Armory are the 2 best known. Smith Enterprise is using LRB receivers for their amazing rifles.
If scoping it is a requirement, get yourself an LRB M25. It is the only hammer forged M14 receiver you can still get, is made in the USA to USGI spec, and has an integral scope mount on top of the receiver. The shortcoming of the M14 platform has always been the way scope mounts attach. While there are several excellent mounts available (Smith Enterprise, Sadlak, old Brookfield, GDI, and the current Leatherwood, to name a few), none compare to the LRB M25. My LRB M25 will put 5 rounds of Black Hills Match 168gr into a 5/8" group at 100 yards, off the bench. Quickly.
While a Springfield Armory M1A is an excellent rifle, the receiver is cast (not forged), the parts are mostly commercial now (not USGI), and the scope mounts mentioned above can be problematic. I have some Springfield Armory M1A rifles and love them (one will even print better groups than my M25). SAI also have a lifetime warranty, and SAI is awesome to deal with. But they don't compare to my LRB's. LRB has a one year warranty, but they are great guys.
And while some Socoms were problematic early on, I have one that is flawless, and have used several others that are the same.
The M14 is virtually 100% reliable, ergonomic, accurate, great trigger, and current USGI mags (CMI 20rd and 25rd) can be had from 44Mag.com for about $23. That is a great price and Mark at 44Mag is awesome to deal with.
The M14 is a proven performer. Lou and Paul at LRB will make you a world class rifle.
FWIW, I have no affiliation with any of the companies that I have mentioned in this post.
While my name may give away my bias, it is because I have used the M14 for many, many, many years and find it vastly superior to every other 7.62x51 rifle that I have used. And the only one I have not used extensively is the Sig AMT. I have owned many of each of the following (but still prefer the M14), Valmet 78, Valmet 76, HK 91, Belgian FAL, Argentine FAL, SAR 48 (Brazilian FAL). My experience with the AR platforms in 7.62x51 is limited, but the pressure curve seems to be problematic for them so I will wait until they get the reliability perfected.
Sorry to run on. I hope my input helps you in your choice.
If scoping it is a requirement, get yourself an LRB M25. It is the only hammer forged M14 receiver you can still get, is made in the USA to USGI spec, and has an integral scope mount on top of the receiver. The shortcoming of the M14 platform has always been the way scope mounts attach. While there are several excellent mounts available (Smith Enterprise, Sadlak, old Brookfield, GDI, and the current Leatherwood, to name a few), none compare to the LRB M25. My LRB M25 will put 5 rounds of Black Hills Match 168gr into a 5/8" group at 100 yards, off the bench. Quickly.
While a Springfield Armory M1A is an excellent rifle, the receiver is cast (not forged), the parts are mostly commercial now (not USGI), and the scope mounts mentioned above can be problematic. I have some Springfield Armory M1A rifles and love them (one will even print better groups than my M25). SAI also have a lifetime warranty, and SAI is awesome to deal with. But they don't compare to my LRB's. LRB has a one year warranty, but they are great guys.
And while some Socoms were problematic early on, I have one that is flawless, and have used several others that are the same.
The M14 is virtually 100% reliable, ergonomic, accurate, great trigger, and current USGI mags (CMI 20rd and 25rd) can be had from 44Mag.com for about $23. That is a great price and Mark at 44Mag is awesome to deal with.
The M14 is a proven performer. Lou and Paul at LRB will make you a world class rifle.
FWIW, I have no affiliation with any of the companies that I have mentioned in this post.
While my name may give away my bias, it is because I have used the M14 for many, many, many years and find it vastly superior to every other 7.62x51 rifle that I have used. And the only one I have not used extensively is the Sig AMT. I have owned many of each of the following (but still prefer the M14), Valmet 78, Valmet 76, HK 91, Belgian FAL, Argentine FAL, SAR 48 (Brazilian FAL). My experience with the AR platforms in 7.62x51 is limited, but the pressure curve seems to be problematic for them so I will wait until they get the reliability perfected.
Sorry to run on. I hope my input helps you in your choice.
I have no problem with anything in your post except the part highlighted above.
As with any weapon system, there are those that work and those that do not. We have produced quite a few AR-10 platforms for the .308, and some wildcat cartridges, that run like a champ and shoot sub moa easily in the hands of someone that knows what they are doing.
I would never say that off the shelf will always compare with what can be had at the hands of a gunsmith, but the AR-10 is a very good platform that can deliver everything the TS wants and it's parts will be available, at least for the time being barring any legislation, from multiple sources that don't require knowing someone or paying through the nose...
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PM sent JD.
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The PTR is the best on the market in new .308's today. It's farking badass....they have one at my gun shop...but the lug is 1700! Has a build in bipod that is damn nice as well as a Magpul Stock that's adjustable.
It's Heavy...but damn comfortable.
It's Heavy...but damn comfortable.
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Thanks for all of the info, now I just have to figure out which one to get 
Do you think these kinds of guns may get banned?
Do you think these kinds of guns may get banned?
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YES. They most certainly will be.Thanks for all of the info, now I just have to figure out which one to get
Do you think these kinds of guns may get banned?
Count on it.Thanks for all of the info, now I just have to figure out which one to get
Do you think these kinds of guns may get banned?
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Thank you all. I"m going to go with the springfiield. As for a scope, what would your recommend - I would like to pay under 400.00 if possible.
What sort of optics do you want? Long range, medium range and close quarters are pretty different beasts.
Simmons makes decent budget scopes for both medium and long range. Some of the lower end Leupolds can be had for that price and will work well for the medium and long range shooting. You can pick up a decent red dot scope for close quarters shooting for that price also.
This is what I plan to strap onto my M14 when I pick it up: http://www.leupold.com/tactical/pro...copes/mark-4-1-5-5x20mm-mrt-m2-illum-reticle/ They sell for a touch over $800, but I'm sure you could find something similar for $400. The 1 1/2-5x has you pretty well covered from 50 yards out to 500 or 600 yards.
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I have an AR w/eotech sight already, so this is going to be my long range gun. Being able to go from 50 yards out to 500 or 600 yards sounds like the ticket.
That's one of the scopes that the Army uses on their SDM M14s. 500 to 600 yards is a fairly common engagement distance for the SDMs.
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If you want a great scope for under $400, check out the Super Sniper from SWFA. Don't get the side focus, stay with the rear focus ($299). M14's have a particular recoil impulse that eats side focus scopes. I like their 10x40.
Spend the left over coin on a nice ring lapping/accurizing kit from Kokopelli Products.
Enjoy!
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