Recoil spring resistance--how much and why?

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by bowserb, Nov 10, 2011.

  1. bowserb

    bowserb New Member

    92
    0
    0
    I didn't know whether to post in XD or 1911, so I'm splitting the difference and going here. I've got a Springfield XDm-45 with no problems. The only failure I ever have is clearing the gun. I remove the mag and then rack the slide to eject the cartridge in the chamber, and sometimes that round gets stuck halfway out. I've concluded that it happens because of my not pulling the slide fast enough and hard enough. And that brings me to my question.

    When I bought the XDm, I noticed that the recoil spring seemed really stiff compared to the other gun I almost bought, a Glock 21. Since then, I've acquired a new Colt XSE 01980, which is of course, a 1911 pistol. The recoil spring on that pistol is also much easier than the XDm. I know spring resistance is measured in pounds, but that's all I know. I don't know if 18 lbs is fully compressed, normal storage compression, or what.

    I've searched a couple of XD/XDM forums, and it seems that quite a few others have pondered this matter and more specifically inquired about softer recoil springs. What I haven't found is anyone who has changed their XDm recoil spring and reported back. I also haven't been able to find an explanation as to why a 1911 or Glock recoil spring can be so much softer, yet be just as reliable as the stiff XDm spring.

    Does anyone have any knowledge about this, or can refer me to another source of info? Thanks.
     
  2. JonM

    JonM Moderator

    20,110
    15
    38
    Xd/m design of how the barrel locks up is close to that of the sig p22x and those have fairly heavy recoil springs too. Changing to a lighter spring may lead to the slide battering the frame too much and accelerate wear in a bad way.

    It may also lead to issues with feed reliabilty. A lighter spring may not have enough energy to move the slide forward with enough force to strip a round from the magazine and go into battery.
     

  3. USMC_Richey

    USMC_Richey New Member

    316
    0
    0
    You know, I have shot several handguns new that felt like that. Sometimes it's to compensate for wear in the springs in the future. I'd just be patient and get some use in it, it will "probably" lighten up. But probably not the trigger pull ;)
     
  4. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

    8,409
    1
    0
    Hi bowserb,

    Welcome to the FTF.

    Grandpa PITA here, did you fire the usual 250 to 300

    break-in rounds through your new semi? One thing that

    does is take a little stiffness out of the spring which

    helps the gun cycle better...
     
  5. bowserb

    bowserb New Member

    92
    0
    0
    Thanks, guys. I'm not going to change the recoil spring on the XDm. I just wonder about the physics at work here. Like the XD/XDm, Glock is a striker fired gun, yet the recoil spring on a G21 feels like about half the resistance of the XDm (although it's probably just a couple lbs less). Glocks don't seem to have a problem battering their frames or stripping a round off the mag.

    Similarly, the 1911 has a really soft recoil spring. Of course, the 1911 slide has to cock the hammer at the end of its rearward travel, so you wouldn't want to resist too much recoil there. It also manages to strip off even the top round of an 8-rd mag with no problem, though. Maybe Gaston Glock and Mr. Browning knew something they haven't learned in Croatia?

    If I never get an answer to this, I'll probably live just as long.
     
  6. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

    8,409
    1
    0
    You're going to feel less with a Glock because of all the non-metal

    parts soaking it up. Less vibration,recoil, and muzzle jump in general...

    How's zat break in period coming along?(No, I wouldn't change the

    spring, either.)
     
  7. bowserb

    bowserb New Member

    92
    0
    0
    Oh yes, I failed to answer that break in question. I have about 500 rounds through the XDM, which btw has as much polymer structure as the Glock. Only have a couple hundred rounds fired by the Colt 1911.

    Going to the range as soon as I finish this post. First time to the range with all my magazines full to start: six 13-rounders for the XDM45 and five 8-round 1911 mags for the Colt XSE. So this time I get to shoot for a while before stopping to reload.
     
  8. Ranger-6

    Ranger-6 New Member

    804
    0
    0
    The recoil spring can come in different strengths. If a shooter is going to shoot standard pressure rounds then a lighter spring could be used. If a shooter was going to shoot +p, +p+, or heavier loads then a stronger spring may be considered. Knowing your gun's recoil spring strength and knowing what loads you are going to shoot makes all the difference for control of the recoil.
     
  9. gollygee

    gollygee New Member

    1,019
    0
    0
    I know that some pistols can be hand cycled thru a full mag without a hang up, but I don't get overly concerned if mine doesn't. First off, they are designed to eject an empty case which is much lighter & shorter than an unfired round. Also, the ejection port may just barely be larger than the round, meaning it's got to hit just about perfect in order to make it through the opening. If my pistol cycles good when shooting it, I don't worry about it.
     
  10. Paperpuncher

    Paperpuncher New Member

    157
    0
    0
    You haven't pulled back on a slide with some recoil spring resistance until you've pulled on a Kahr CM9.

    That slide is brutal....period
     
  11. alaskatree

    alaskatree New Member

    6
    0
    0
    Hard slide movement- if you are right handed , hold the slide with your left hand at the top rear of the slide between the thumb and index finger, left elbow held next to the body not moving, now shove the hand grip with the right hand and it will be a lot easier as it is earier to shove then to pull the slide. ireton sports
     
  12. OldHack

    OldHack New Member

    21
    0
    0
    HK P7s are quite the workout as well
     
  13. bowserb

    bowserb New Member

    92
    0
    0
    I have no problem working the SA XDm-45 slide, but it is definitely much stiffer than that of the Colt XSE1980. Both are .45's, but with the XDm, when you rack the slide, you're also cocking the striker, so you have the resistance of two springs at work (although admittedly, the striker spring is not very much tension). Normally, when I rack the slide on the Colt, the hammer is already cocked. If I rack it with the hammer down, there is a definite difference.
     
  14. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

    8,409
    1
    0
    Really? Try a DE 44 or 50AE...
     
  15. 13andloveguns

    13andloveguns New Member

    19
    0
    0
    Agree with the de
     
  16. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

    8,409
    1
    0
    Sometimes I CC that beast.

    It's like the infamous "obrez", it'll blow a hole in a BG, and set his clothes on fire

    at the same time. Cannons can be a comfort...
     
  17. 1HotMama

    1HotMama New Member

    105
    0
    0
    True story, it's a beast. I impressed the guy selling it to me bc I didn't have a problem with it.
     
  18. USMC_Richey

    USMC_Richey New Member

    316
    0
    0
    Yeah anytime a chick walks up, racks, and says "Eh.." impresses the hell out of me. Even if it's a 22. lol
     
  19. 13andloveguns

    13andloveguns New Member

    19
    0
    0
    You cc a DE what cal 357 44 50
     
  20. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

    8,409
    1
    0
    Remember CC in most states(USA) is considered "On or about the person."

    I use a satchel, backpack, or ballistic nylon shoulder bag.

    Especially when I'm going where there's a lot of cash flying

    around, like the LGS, or gas stations,etc.

    It's a .44, a matching-cartridge gun to my Marlin 1894, which I use for

    hunting wild boar.

    The DE44s and 50s have interchangeable frames, in .44 and 50AE, so

    size-wise, it's the same as the 50AE. The muzzle velocity, blast, and

    flip are all reduced @ 40%. The 44 Rem Mag cartridges are also

    about 1/3 the cost of the 50AEs.

    It's great, but the weight and size (@ 10 Lbs, fully loaded with spare mags)

    make it a chore to carry on a regular basis. Then I go back to my more popular EDCs,

    the 92FS or 1911A1.

    But since I carry full-size, I'm probably not the best person to

    give proper advice on a comfortable EDC pistol...
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2012