Recoil reducing buffer

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by assualtready070, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. assualtready070

    assualtready070 New Member

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    Which is the best recoil reducing buffer. I heard MGI has a rate and recoil reducing buffer, I have a semi ar-15 will the MGI slow down the rate of fire or is that only with full auto AR's. I think everyone who has an AR knows the recoil is low and fun to shoot, but I want to be able to rapid fire and get all rounds on target as fast as possible. I have a commercial buffer it looks like an H1 buffer but it doesn't say anything. So does anyone know a good recoil reducing buffer (not a rate reducing buffer) that doesn't cost an arm and a leg?
     
  2. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    If your buffer is not marked, it is NOT an "H" buffer. You can weight your buffer (take it to the post office, just the buffer, not the whole gun). A standard buffer is 3 oz. That will work just fine with 95% of the carbines out there. I run an "H" buffer in my Colt carbine and a 6 oz buffer in my 9mm carbine.

    Rate reduction and felt recoil reduction are pretty much the same thing. If you want to spray ammo, train.

    Expecting a mechanical device to correct your deficient skills is like installing a new steering wheel so you can safely drive 150 mph through school zones.
     

  3. fsted2a

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    The only mechanical benefit the spring loaded or hydraulic buffers have is if you have a short (under 16 inch) barrel. The cheaper AR's tend to have more jamming issues on those lengths. Other than that, I recommend using the buffer that came with your buttstock assembly. If you want to reduce the recoil when firing rapid fire, I suggest you get a buttstock pad. Or better yet, shoot fewer rounds per minute so you can stay on target. If you are talking about bumpfiring, then you want the extra recoil, as the recoil is what rocks the trigger back and forth across your finger. Without knowing what you really want to do, this is the best advise you will get.
     
  4. AgentTikki

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    If you want to reduce recoil. Get a brake. Best bang for the buck.

    Don't mess with your gun's timing unless you know what you're doing or don't mind problem solving and tinkering.
     
  5. Sgt_Skrb_25

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    I agree with AgentTikki, of you are worried about recoil, brake it.Try the Primary weapons FSC556, I have one.. My girl shoots my AR like its a 10/22. Beat muzzle device I have ever had. It's a hybrid muzzle device.
     
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  6. GaMatt72

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    I use a spikes heavy buffer and a fishbone brake. I have very little felt recoil.
     
  7. ccrow175

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    I use a jP enterprise silent captured buffer spring. Research them and I think it will be just what your looking for. Its a direct replacement of your factory buffer and spring that reduces recoil and takes away that thud feeling when you shoot. It allows more rapid fire while staying on target, without affecting any of the rifles general function.
     
  8. fsted2a

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    My vote would be a combination of a good muzzle brake and a buttstock pad for recoil reduction. I can see the timing change causing out of battery firing if you start playing around with the buffer, and that is a bad thing.:eek:
     
  9. fsted2a

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    If I were going the route of using a JP buffer and spring combo, I would go ahead and get their BCG and buttstock assembly too. From what I have read in other forums, they are all balanced to go together. Just my .02. I beleive in keeping the buttstock assembly (buttstock, buffer, spring, and tube) together.
     
  10. CGS

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    I've written a guide to designing your ar15, here is a C&P from the paragraph about buffers...


     
  11. CGS

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    I think the thing about JP is though that they work best with a tuned/adjustable gas system.
     
  12. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    As has been mentioned! Don't mess with the rifles timing if it is shooting reliably. You were talking about rapid firing! I would suggest you follow the other's suggestion and get a break! However for example, if you have a collapsible stock on your rifle they do make a real nice softer rubber butt pad that fits right on the rear of your stock. No tools or anything needs just slipped right on! Might be and idea for you! You could go to an H Buffer and see if it works or an auto bolt carrier (Heavier)? But if you slow the cyclic action and timing down too much that can cause issues also! So the first suggestion as the others have mentioned, might be best?

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  13. fsted2a

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    I think all the experienced builders who have posted will agree with me that the purpose of the buffer is to have maximum reliability of the cycling system, and any recoil reduction should be considered a by-product, not the end result. My input for reducing recoil would be to address two areas: 1. the muzzle brake/flash hider. 2. a pad for the buttstock. I see only two reasons to change buffers or springs- short barrel (10 inch or below), or full auto below 16 inch barrel. Some piston AR's are recommended for the hydraulic buffer on a case by case basis. From my understanding that is only for the NFA registered full auto's. The Colt M16A2LSW came from the factory with a hydraulic buffer to reduce the cyclic rate, but that was because it had been converted by the factory to an open bolt machine gun. I beleive that was the first application of a hydraulic buffer on the platform. They have gotten recent publicity due to the Red Jacket Desert AR, which because of a bungled build needed a hydraulic buffer to slow the cyclic action of a full auto. I hope this helps the OP to make an informed decision.
     
  14. CGS

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    Fsted, I think also gas port size plays a big part. I believe alot of current manufacturers have much larger gas ports than the older Colts do thus over-gassing the system.


    LOL @ Red Jacket. I hate that show. :)
     
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  15. fsted2a

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    If you have the knowledge and skill and ammo to tinker with it, an adjustable gas block may help an overgassing issue. The platform was originally designed to work with a 20 inch barrel. As you shorten the barrel, naturally you will have to make adjustments. As far as Sons of Guns, I often watch those "reality" shows to make me feel better about myself. I just compare my own life to those idiots, and feel very good about being me. :D
     
  16. CGS

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    Here is just a for example, There is a .030 difference between DPMS and Daniel Defense gas port on 16" similar profile barrels. Daniel Defense is .059 and DPMS .089 on 16". Off the top of my head, I can look up my notes and verify if necessary.

    I think the last red jacket I watched was the desert ar15 episode. I was like "What? A week to build an Ar15. I can do that in a half hour. WHAT?! I'm done with this show! " haven't watched since. What could they have possibly done to take a week to build an AR? Even if they were making cuts for sand to have a place to do I can't see that adding 5 days to an AR build.
     
  17. fsted2a

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    The guy is an idiot savant, that is he can mimic, just not create. After practice, he would be good on an assembly line. Taking 5 days to build an AR is a lot though. But they have to have some drama somehow. If they just did a build without any tantrums or stupid stuff, it would be dry as an air force power point on ohms law, and no one would watch it.
     
  18. CGS

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    I understand, it's a show not for gun guys. I almost gave up on the show when they were saying how dangerous it was to pull a bullet from a casing. Damned near had half an episode on it, and when they finally got it done they were whiping sweat from their brow, sighs of relief etc...

    LOL If ever anyone wants a custom build AR15, I should tell them $3,500, it takes 5 days to build, just watch red jacket.
     
  19. fsted2a

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    Last year I went online to brownells webpage, cliked on all the (same brand) parts it took to build the semi version of their desert AR that they sell on the Red Jacket site for 3500, and I came up with a little under 1500 bucks to include 120 for a stripped lower receiver purchased locally.