reasons for NOT getting a 1911

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by field, Jul 15, 2009.

  1. field

    field New Member

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    so a couple reasons i have seen in general for getting one of these guns is they are very "accurate" and then the single action trigger and hammer setup allows for alot shorter, nicer trigger pull.

    then as for NOT getting one they seem to be more finicky with the ammo that you use and they seem to jam more and have more malfunctions than other handguns that have the double action non hammer type of design

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  2. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    this should be good! I'll be waiting for JD's response and Cane is close second.
     

  3. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    I read that 1911s have problems a lot on the internet - just haven't had a bad one myself I guess. Over the past couple of years I've owned over 2 dozen (I like to trade guns) and I've yet to get a bad one.

    Now I'll caveat that I've never got one "dremeled by bubba the gunsmith" nor will I use generic gunshow mags. Also, I fire FMJ in mine (except for my Colt that I carry) 99.9% of the time...
     
  4. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    I've got at least 10k rounds through mine and the one time it exhibited a failure was at the inept hands of my wife. The poor pistol got limp wristed so badly that it didn't know what to do.

    If there is a problem to feed or eject, it's usually a problem with the user.
     
  5. Sarge43

    Sarge43 New Member

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    I've read about plenty of problems, but have never had anything worse than a FTF in the first 50 rounds out of the box with ANY of my .45's. I really can't think of a reason to NOT own a 1911 as long as it's of reasonable quality and fit, and hasn't been "customized" by Goober the basement gunsmith.
    Good luck!
    Sarge
     
  6. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    My XD45 holds 13+1 rounds; i was under the impression that there weren't any 1911's with equal capacity. I did see that RIA model A2 or something that has double stack mags. I am not very familiar with that manufacturer, though.

    And NO i can't practice more on my accuracy! :p
     
  7. Franciscomv

    Franciscomv New Member

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    My 1911 experience is limited to the two I've owned: a Colt 1991A1 and a Para Ordnance P14-45. Both good weapons, neither of them super expensive or customized. I've got no complaints, I've had zero issues with them.

    My only problem with the Para was that the sights it came with were adjusted to hit the centre of a bullseye target when aimed at the base of the black area (I bought it new). This is fine if the pistol is going to be used to shoot matches at 25 meters, but it makes the gun hit high for my shooting style. It's a simple fix: either file the rear sight a bit or choose a new one. That's another good thing about 1911's: there are LOTS of different replacement parts available.
     
  8. m72law

    m72law New Member

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    i've never seen a bad one....just better ones:)
     
  9. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    50% of the FTF/FTE issues with a 1911 is operator error, or as I like to call it, PEBTAH (Problem Exists Between Trigger And Holster) or dirtbag owner maintenance. (See PEBTAH)

    The other 50% is directly related to the cost of production of the weapon. NOTE: I DID NOT SAY THE PRICE OF THE WEAPON!

    A good running 1911 will cost you 1,000 to 1,500$. Oh yea, you can pay way more but will get little return on any dollar spent over 1.5K. (Remember I'm speaking to a good running 1911, NOT a custom firearm!)

    This means if you buy a $400 1911 and want a reliable CCW firearm that I would trust my life with, plan on putting $600+ in upgrade parts such as, but not limited to: Real engineered mags, billet or forged parts to replace the MIM junk, a quality ignition system, a "real" barrel, quality/current technology springs, and a pair of stocks that fit the 1911 to your strong side hand with good purchase.

    If you want that $400 1911 to go plinkin' at the range, go for it.

    If you, on the other hand, think that with that same $400 purchase plus a $20 Fobus and a freshly inked CCW license make you armed and safe you may be found face down in a pool of your own blood.

    “Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician.” J. Cooper


    With the majority of production firearms today, the above applies. No brand or model holds the "WORST" firearm title.

    That is held by the collective group of IDIOTS that produce the problems! (See PEBTAH)
     
  10. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    One reason for not owing a 1911 could be that your panties are bunched or your thong is too tight. :p
     
  11. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    I paid $700 for mine. I've never had a problem, even with hollow point ammo. The feed ramp is baby bottom smooth and it's lowered, it has a drastically lowered ejection port and a nice trigger. Oddly enough though, it's an even 25 which means that it was combed over closely by Kimber's QC department.

    Like I said, it's never had a single issue. The action is buttery smooth. It's got over 10k rounds on the clock and it's still running the original factory springs.
     
  12. opaww

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    I have owned and/or used a verity of 1911a1’s over the last 40 years and even the older military issued one I had no problems with except bad mags. Once you get good quality mags most of the problems are taken care of. The Springfield Armory stainless I own now shoot so smoothly and reliable that I have no problem carrying it for protection.
     
  13. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    A good quality 1911 doesn't have to cost a fortune and yes, there are other excellent non-1911 semiautomatics out there.

    However, there is nothing like a good 1911.

    As far as reasons to not own a 1911? Ignorance, inexperience or perhaps teeny tiny testicles? :D
     
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  14. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Let's see - where to start?? :eek:

    First off, I would echo what Cane said, for the most part, except I believe a good, reliable 1911 CAN be had for less than a grand. That doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.

    Now, on to reasons NOT to get a 1911:

    10) You have been drinking the Hollywood & Printing Magazine Kool Aid for too long and you have never studied the modern firearm.

    9) You are still young and believe you need a high capacity, double stacked, polymer pistol that is "what everyone else is carrying".

    8) Someone on the Interwebz told you that 1911's are finicky and you never bothered to shoot one to make up your mind for yourself.

    7) You've never handled one period.

    6) Your boys haven't dropped yet. :)

    5) You believe that anything with over 100 years of active military service simply should have been put out to pasture a long time ago and has surely been improved upon in the modern age.

    4) You want to justify, to yourself or the Interwebz, that your $400 pistol is just as good as my 1911. Which is fine, but mine will still outshoot yours and I would bet my life on mine today, right now. ;)

    3) See Skullchrusher's Comment above....

    2) You have never read the works of Jeff Cooper, Massad Ayoob, Larry Vickers, Charlie Beckwith, Eric Lee Haney and you have no idea who John Browning was or how his work applies to the modern firearm.


    And finally, the number one reason NOT to buy a 1911....

    1) You just don't know the difference between a quality, well built operational masterpiece and a pistol.

    The good news is, we have a GREAT support group here. Ask questions. Come over to my place, or to Cane's or BobbyB's or Skull's or opaww's Range and shoot one of the damn things in the company of someone who KNOWS about the weapon and can explain to you what the positives are....

    Don't let the hater signature fool you, 9 more days and Ineff's blasphemy signature will be replaced with vindication....

    JD
     
  15. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    10. Your too young to own a pistol.

    9. Your hands are too small.

    8. You think Plastic is cool.

    7. Your Ignorant of what a good pistol is.

    6. You have not been around me, Cane, or JD (And Others here) for very long.

    5. You are a sissy and can't handel a real pistol chambered in a real caliber.

    4. Your a freekin mall ninja.

    3. Your nads are the size of a squirrels.

    2. Your STUPID.

    1. You just want to stir the pot on a forum full of known 1911 owners and fans.

    My $700 Kimber Custom II is one of the best guns in my safe. It has eaten everything I have ever put in it. From Black Hills reman ammo to Speer 230gr and 185gr Gold dots. To my own personal relaodes. Not a single FTF, FTE or any other malfunction.

    99% of FTF, FTE on a 1911 come from the shooter limpwristing it or something along that line. If you know how to shoot a pistol and can shoot it good a 1911 will reward you with amazing accuracy that, Glock and XD owners can only dream of. Mine will out shoot me anyday of the week. I am not the best shot but you better believe within 75 yards I can hit you in the chest or back with my Kimber. If you want to test the accuracy of my 1911 and me Come over at about 2 am to my house.

    It is also a proven fact that 99% of all criminals prefer to be shot with a 1911.



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  16. M14sRock

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    1911's rock. I currently own at least 14 of them, and have carried and used 1911's for most of my life. I will never be without at least one 1911.

    But they are not flawless.

    They are prone to having the plunger tube loosen or fall off.
    They are prone to breaking bbl links and pins.
    Barrel bushings can be problematic, especially colletted bushings.
    I recently saw a thumb safety pin sheared off (attributed to torque caused by an offset hole in the grip safety) and it was not the first I've seen.
    I've had MIM disconnectors and sears break, and know several others who have as well.
    Extractor claws tend to break off if you run the extractor over the rim of a round dropped into the chamber.

    The funniest "oops" I ever witnessed with a 1911 however was due to the firing pin spring being installed backwards. This caused the narrow end of the spring to grab the firing pin near the mid point. This kept the firing pin pulled forward which allowed the firing pin stop to fall out (due to gravity, as it was loose) during recoil, and when the slide went back into battery the firing pin and spring shot out the back end of the slide. This left the operator holding a harmless .45. Oops. While this was purely pilot error, and not common at all, it was indicative of what can happen when someone unfamiliar with the 1911 tries to detail strip one and reassemble.

    But the 1911 still rocks.
     
  17. Flint Rock

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    In my time as an instructor I have worked with students using widely varied guns. I have found that 1911's are not the best guns for beginners. A Glock, Sig, or M&P seem to work best for new shooters. To me the 1911 has always been the gun you move up to, not start with.
     
  18. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    Time for me to move up!! :D
     
  19. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Please Elaborate on this stand. My first centerfire pistol was a 1911 I have had ZERO problems they are simple to field strip and care for the trigger pull is a million times better than a glock. They don't require Heman thumbs to stuff 9 millon rounds of sissy ammo into the mag.

    Also I find this kind of funny. In the Army we had plenty of people who had never even handled a gun let alone fire one and they all seams to do ust fine with a 1911. Not sure if that was just a freek accident or what.
     
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  20. CA357

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    That's an excellent observation Flint Rock. There's also a great deal of mythology around 1911's. They are definitely a pistol worth aspiring to.