Re-milling a demilled

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by MobileMarine, Sep 11, 2011.

  1. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    watching sons of guns .... I know I know . Kinda thought the whole purpose of demilling was to make it legal for us to own . Well they are putting a 20mm anti tank gun back together right now that has been torched to death . I have always wanted a artillery piece myself and Im damn good myself at putting stuff like that back together . BUt would it be legal ? I know putting a full auto demilled ak back in action would be a no no or is all of it a no no
     
  2. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    I'm not sure if it is legal. I think you have to have a special licence to own anything larger than 50 cal though.
     

  3. Jpyle

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    Most likely a "destructive device" under NFA...
     
  4. ahole

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    Easy there buddy. Its probably got the same NFA requirements like the FAL,Stien, G3, and other demilled parts kits. something that large might have other tags to go with it.
     
  5. c3shooter

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    To "remil" a demiled 20 mm, you would need to be licensed as a Manufacturer of Destructive Devices. The remil would have to be registered as a NFA gun. The paperwork alone would give you a hernia.
     
  6. thdrduck

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    So it's not an issue of cal. size? I can legally own a muzzle loading cannon that is bigger than .50 right?
     
  7. c3shooter

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    A muzzle loader that uses loose powder is not a firearm. Under Federal law (18 US Code, Section 922) it is an ANTQUE, and not regulated by the 1968 Gun Control Act (Yes, even if made yesterday, it is an antique, not a firearm)

    HOWEVER- a CARTRIDGE firearm, made since 1-1-1899, DOES fall under the act. If it has a bore diameter greater than 50 cal, it must have a demonstrated "sporting purpose" (such as your .72 caliber 12 g shotgun) The 20mm has a bore diameter of ABOUT 80 caliber. THAT kicks it into the Destructive Device category.

    However, if you have a 6 pounder Napolean cannon, with a 3.00 caliber bore, it is NOT a firearm.
     
  8. BillM

    BillM Active Member Supporter

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    C3--are you sure? An individual can "manufacture" a suppressor, SBR,
    SBS or an AOW without a SOT license. Just run the forms through ATF and have your tax stamp in hand before you build. Might that also apply to
    Destructive Devices?
     
  9. texaswoodworker

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    I believe you can. Muzzleloaders are not concidered "firearms" by the feds so an FFL is not required to buy one and have it shipped to you. .54 is a pretty common bullet for muzzleloaders. (not sure about modern but the old classic style ones use this caliber a lot) I have also seen one as large as .75 (cabelas brown bess musket).:eek:

    Oops, c3 beat me to it. :)
     
  10. therewolf

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    Rendering effective a weapon which was" de-milled" specifically

    to render it ineffective would not be smiled upon.

    IF you get the proper licensing for a firearm of that magnitude,

    it would probably cost less to buy a working unit.

    We all already know how screwed up the ATF is, you

    probably don't want to get on a personal basis with those guys.
     
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  11. MobileMarine

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    I have always wanted one of the tillery pieces that sit out front of the national guards office . I will own one one day , dont care if it shoots or not . I have always wondered how some of these guys get they naval turrets guns and other large pieces , Did the get them thru the buddy system back in the day or what ? I see a few on gunbroker from time to time for like 50k . And from my understanding from one of my older post that if its over .50 and NOT rifled then its ok .
    BTW did anyone see the three saiga 12s they turned into the gattlin gun ? lmao how about those mags hanging out spinning a 100mph ? I was waiting for one to go airborn lol
     
  12. thdrduck

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    Mobile, sorry, that is not funny!! Not even in jest. Bad form!
     
  13. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    Thats how I think . Dont like it the dont read any of my post . Simple but thanks for your input there is a kite that needs to be flown some where
     
  14. 2hot2handle

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    I as well was waiting for one of those magazines to go flying from that silly contraption. :cool:

    BTW I think your form is fine :p
     
  15. thdrduck

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    Excuse me for trying to politely say that statements like that could land you in a very small room with some unpleasant people. Off to fly my kite.
     
  16. JonM

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    you can restore a demilled arm to service. if it shoots a cartridge type ammo or cannon type it falls under the building a gun rule so you need to be a licensed firearms builder. a cannon such as 20mm in question falls under destructive device nfa rules so would require a sot license to bring to full functional status.

    a demilled fullauto also falls under nfa rules in constructing a new full auto arm. so only police agencies and military can commission a restore of a demilled full auto that is not on the pre-1986 transferable nfa registry book.
     
  17. MobileMarine

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    I think it would be cool to be able to own full autos that fire blanks and in now way be converted and the firing mechs could not be interchanged . ON a different topic I meet some guys at the dixe show with some old german machine guns that fired off propane or the like , claims were that they sounded like the real deal but were difficult to construct . Anyone heard of what I just said ?
    Sons of guns .... How many of you have put your arrows into 410 shells ??? lmao you know some redneck is doing that right now
     
  18. c3shooter

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    Bill- I believe you are correct- IF you are building that 20mm DD for yourself. If it is for sale, you need a Type 10 FFL, and an SOT 2. Build a DD with an explosive component, you also need a 20- manufacturer of explosives.

    However, when I was building those sort of things, I was wearing a green shirt, and did not have to worry about the legality of it. Anyone doing this while NOT a member of the Armed Forces, I would urge to consult the ATF Firearms Tech Branch over in Martinsburg WV.
     
  19. JonM

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    the army used or may still use machine gun simulators that work off propane and sound fairly realistic. the basic training i went thru used them some 15 odd years ago
     
  20. MobileMarine

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    Got a feeling if tried to make my own machine gun simulator it would end up a flame thrower .:D Well that would be ok too