RCBS competition dies good or bad

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by bigdaddy573, Apr 18, 2012.

  1. bigdaddy573

    bigdaddy573 New Member

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    I'm thinking about getting a set for my 308 and my 30-06 and im wanting to know what u guys think about them before I get them thanks guys

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  2. 1hole

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    They sure aren't bad. But while both of RCBS' more costly die sets have a short, loosely fitted bullet guide and load bullets through a cute little side window and come in a really neat wood box, they really don't align the cases and bullets before seating starts as Forster and Redding's tightly fitted, spring loaded, full length body and bullet alignment sleeves do.

    All of that is fact; so, what do I think? Why pay so much for dies that, on average, don't load bullets any straighter than much lower priced standard dies when you can get better designed seater dies instead? Actually, standard dies are quite good and few reloaders -or their rifles - will ever see any benefit from premium dies.
     
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  3. bigdaddy573

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    So your pretty much saying go with the redding or the Foster lol

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  4. billt

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    I purchased a set in .308 and I like them better than several Redding dies I have. The only thing I don't care for is the graduations on the dark blued micrometer thimble are difficult to read because they are not highlighted. I fixed that easy with some of the, "Bonanza Gold" engraving filler kit. Now they look good and stand out even better.

    The nice thing about the RCBS Competition Dies is they have that little "window" you drop the bullet into. It then is seated in all but perfect alignment with the case neck. I've found that bullet run out is very minimal with these dies. Even better than the Redding and Forester Dies I have.
     
  5. bigdaddy573

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    Is it consistent cuz that's the problem I'm having with my dies right now is it seats my bullets where I want them then i keep getting some that go way deeper then I like

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  6. billt

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    That shouldn't be happening on any die set. But to answer your question, yes. I've found it seats within .002 on most every round. The run out is much better than what you will get with standard dies.
     
  7. bigdaddy573

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    Alright cuz I got the Lee pacesetter dies and I like them but I don't think I'm going to by another set they are not consistent

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  8. billt

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    They should be as far as bullet seating depth goes. Lee makes some things very well, and other things more cheaply. I was resizing a lot of .223 brass and pretty much wore out my expander plug. I wanted to get the batch of cases I was working on done, and I went to Cabela's because it was a Sunday afternoon and nothing by me was open. Cabela's didn't have any expander plugs in .22 cal, so I bought a new set of Lee Dies in .223. I have found them to be excellent. The only criticism I have is you have to really tighten down the decapping pin retainer or else it will push up. This is especially true if you are resizing and decapping military brass with crimped in primer pockets. I took it apart and put a small amount of Rosin on the pin and collet, reassembled it, and it hasn't moved since. I have since resized at least 3,000 cases with it.
     
  9. bigdaddy573

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    Ya I really like them just my seating die sometimes throws me a few odd ball round cuz I try to keep my 30-06 OAL to 3.338 to 3.336 ball park and I end up getting some that are 3.322 to 3.307 so that's my only problem with them that's why I'm wanting to upgrade to something better

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  10. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i use several different Lee Pacesetter dies and don't have an issue with bullet runout changing. are you locking the nut to the press once you have the desired seating depth? once i adjust my seating depth, i tighten the lock nut to the press, then seat the bullets, then check them every fifth one to ensure they are seating at the desired depth.
     
  11. bigdaddy573

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    I'm getting it as tight as I can to the press and I still get odds ball OAL for some reason

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  12. Axxe55

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    send it back to Lee, as it sounds like the seater plug adjustment is too loose and moving around.
     
  13. bigdaddy573

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    It might be that cuz when I move it around I hear something moving around

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  14. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    mine makes the same noise! but the seating depth never changes once i set it where i want it. send it back to Lee, they have a two year warranty on their dies.
     
  15. bigdaddy573

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    I will but I'm just getting started so I might be doing something wrong but I'm thinking about getting a redding or rcbs competition dies cuz wanting to get in to long range shooting and I want the best I can get

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  16. Axxe55

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    don't get me wrong, Redding and RCBS both make good dies and i have several sets of RCBS dies, but have found out the Lee's work just as well and are easier to set up than other brands. consistency will be more important than the actual die brand used. consistent bullet depth, powder charge, case length, ect. ect. i weigh my bullets, check OAL of the case and pay attention to my powder charge and bullet seating depth. work with one powder and bullet weght at a time and try different powder charges, and different seating depths. when i find a powder charge that's giving good results, i will then fine tune it by trying +/- .2 of a grain in the powder charge, then fine tune the seating depth to try to get better results. i also like to do 5 shot groups and sometimes even 10 shot groups to see if the results are consistent.
     
  17. bigdaddy573

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    Ya Im getting there cuz its probably me messing up somewhere when I'm seating them

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  18. Txhillbilly

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    Bigdaddy,What bullets are you loading?
    The differences in seating depth can also be cause by variances in the bullets themselves.If you want to be exact with each bullet,you'll need to measure each bullet with a Bullet Comparator gauge.
    To be truthful,your being a little anal about all of this stuff.Unless your wanting to compete,or are really serious about the little things,your just thinking about it too much.

    I have shooting buddies that think every round has to be perfect and exact.They shoot really small groups with their rifles,and then get pissed off when I meet or beat their groups everytime we go shooting.All of my dies are standard grade Lee Deluxe or RCBS,and Redding.
    They weigh each of their cases/bullets/primers etc.,and I just throw them together without a worry about all of that stuff.
    They have been reloading 5-10 yrs,I've been doing it over 30 yrs for centerfires.

    Don't over think Reloading,you'll drive yourself nuts if you do.Find out what bullet/primer/powder combination that your rifles like,and then start playing with all the intricate stuff.It's just Reloading Bullets,don't make it hard for yourself by over thinking!
     
  19. bigdaddy573

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    Lol I know I'm being anal about it and im sorry but when I do things I try to do the best I can and I really don't have anyone teaching me about this stuff and I know I'm not going to compete but I like to put 110% in everything I do

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  20. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    like Hillbilly said, don't overthink it. my first goal when i work up a load is to find a powder and powder weight that gives good results with the intended bullet weight i want to use for that rifle. then i work with seating depth, as every rifle will shoot differently. then i try out different brands of bullets, in the weight desired, different bullets act differently, even when they weigh the same due to BC.

    some people do get anal about it, nothing wrong with that, to each their own. some people sort the cases by headstamp and case weight, some people try out different brands and types of primers, some even weigh every bullet to maximize potential accuracy. some people measure and turn neck diameters. see a pattern here? it can be as simple or as complicated as you desire.