AMEN! on items one two and three.
AMEN! on items one two and three.
I bought the DPMS equivalent of the Armalite AR-10. It's the LR-308B - "B" meaning bull barrel. It's an 18" barreled Flat-top with gas-block rail. I've got an 8 -24 x 50mm scope on it, but I also bought flip-up front & rear iron sights. A detachable carry handle with A2 sights is also available. It's got a 1 in 10 twist, A2 Stock with free-float aluminum handguard. It doesn't have a port door or shell deflector, but it doesn't seem to need it. The barrel is almost 1" thick and the damned thiing weighs over 10 lbs. so recoil isn't an issue. It shoots sub 1" groups with factory ammo and I'm currently working on accurate reloads.Still up in the air on bolt or semi as well. Just curious what you all have for plinker guns for long range shooting.
What about the Remington 700?
Um, can you provide some accurate data on that? Sub moa factory rifles with factory barrels? At what range? With what ammo?You can't go wrong with either remington or savage both extremely well made rifles and extremely capable of sub moa
My RRA NMA4 has a factory guarantee of 3/4 MOA. It does better than that with reloads...Um, can you provide some accurate data on that? Sub moa factory rifles with factory barrels? At what range? With what ammo?
I don't know of any "factory" rifle that guarantees sub moa performance, at any range - and very few "custom" rifle builders will give you a written guarantee.
Unless I miss my guess, that is the Rock River Arms National Match A4. I would hardly classify that as a stock factory rifle since it comes with upgraded parts, like a Wilson heavy barrel, a two stage tuned trigger and a free floated barrel. A beautiful piece.My RRA NMA4 has a factory guarantee of 3/4 MOA. It does better than that with reloads...
It IS a stock factory rifle - it is just set-up for match shooting in it's standard configuration. I didn't order any "options". For $915 I got a factory rifle with Match capability.. The same with my DPMS AR in .308 - no special options - $849 for a factory rifle that shoots sub moa...If you are comparing these rifles to factory bolt guns, then you are right - Winchester, Remington, SAvage, don't offer accuracy "guarantee's", but generally these bolt guns are now marketed as "Tactical" rifles. They are primarily intended for hunting medium to large game where sub moa accuracy is not really necessary. If I wanted an accurate hunting rifle I would not hesitate to buy any of the ones mentioned, and I am sure by handloading that I could get the same accuracy that I get with my AR's. Hell, I have a No.1 MkIII SMLE,6.5x55 Swede, and FR-8 Spanish Mauser that shoot as well as any modern hunting rifle.Unless I miss my guess, that is the Rock River Arms National Match A4. I would hardly classify that as a stock factory rifle since it comes with upgraded parts, like a Wilson heavy barrel, a two stage tuned trigger and a free floated barrel. A beautiful piece.
^ Semantics or terminology difference I would say. *shrug*
While RRA would qualify as a production house, in a very loose sense, they are not turning out their NM rifles at the rate & in the configurations that they are moving their standard rifles. Hell, from their website you can order a 16" complete .223 rifle for $640 ( less lower receiver ) and need no FFL to have it shipped to you. I would say that a lower receiver will NEVER cost you the difference of the $275 to get to the price you paid. I would submit that would be the same difference in buying, say, a Kimber model from their Pro Shop as opposed to their standard production line model. In that advent, no manufacturer is going to offer a guarantee on a weapon that doesn't go through some sort of "higher standard" - be it tighter tolerances, hand fit parts, custom ( upgraded ) parts, or a just plain hand inspection to insure that you are providing a product that meets the advertising.
I agree that RRA is a production house and they do turn out a fine product, I just consider an AR rifle that MSRP's for over a grand to be a bit above the average price & care production run of their products. Getting it for $915 was a god [email protected] steal, so HEAVY KUDOS to you for nailing down that price. Well played sir, well played.
The weapon is none the less a fine piece of kit and I would have no problem fielding one of their products should a SHTF situation occur and one was at hand.