Quinn signs bill requiring schools to hold shooting safety drills

Discussion in 'Illinois Gun Forum' started by KJG67, Jul 1, 2013.

  1. KJG67

    KJG67 New Member

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    In follow up to "The Idiot Speaks" post from yesterday (http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f126/idiot-speaks-93175/):


    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ooting-safety-drills-20130701,0,7327689.story

    Two key highlights:

    - Colleges and universities would not be required to conduct the drills. Nice. Need to find the genius' that decided that wasn't important considering the NIU shooting. But I guess those students are no longer considered children, so fall outside the Democrats party line of "save the children."

    - Quinn said his action on a measure that would allow citizens to carry guns in public is "imminent." Several lawmakers and public officials have said they expect the governor to rewrite the concealed carry bill to make it tougher in an effort to appeal to voters as he prepares to launch a re-election bid. Quinn is a strong supporter of stricter gun control laws.

    But you knew the CCW bill wasn't going to pass anyways. We'll see what Her Majesty Ms. Madigan has up her sleeve. I think everyone's supposed to be back in Springfield on July 8th for a special session. <sigh>


    More info:
    http://www3.illinois.gov/PressReleases/ShowPressRelease.cfm?SubjectID=2&RecNum=11317
     
  2. AlphaKoncepts

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    I'm pretty sure I read last week a few politicians stating the CC is scheduled for over-ride vote on the 9th, tomorrow. Although it can be called any time they are in session.


    I'm all for school shooting drills. I just know I wouldn't agree with the processes of said drills. Step #1 lock classroom door and barricade. Step #2 teacher huddles children into the safest corner and draws own weapon and takes aim on fatal funnel (door).
     

  3. purehavoc

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    My wife is a school teacher , Nobody ever expects this to happen in their own home town but things happen and they should be prepared . Its no different than a tornado or fire drill , it should be done .
    There are places out there that teach this stuff , They teach the teachers , teachers assistants and janitors how to prepare , put the kids in the safest spot and if the assailant does breach the entry way how to distract and manipulate to stop the threat even if armed . If I remember right they do those classes right here in IL , near Lincoln if my mind serves me right .
     
  4. Chainfire

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    Yea, right. Have you ever been to school?.... I remember teachers that were too unstable to handle guns, and others that wouldn't touch a gun on a dare. I never had a lot of teachers that were like Bruce Willis. Maybe we should have gun racks in the classroom and on alarm all the kids could draw their weapons, hide behind the desks and wait to ambush the bad guy Bonnie and Clyde style.
     
  5. KJG67

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    I think it's great if it's a practical guide. Anything to avoid or reduce the loss of life, and buy LEOs additional response time to enter and clear the building.
    If it's one of those that teach - defend yourself from the gunman with scissors - well, that's just great. I just found it odd that he exempted State funded colleges.
     
  6. towboater

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    Maybe we should have gun racks in the classroom and on alarm all the kids could draw their weapons, hide behind the desks and wait to ambush the bad guy Bonnie and Clyde style.

    Dont be silly. THey can draw their own CC weapons.

    I had great teachers in school. Most of em likes shooting guns. Its nice to be in a small country town.
     
  7. towboater

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    Yea, right. Have you ever been to school?.... I remember teachers that were too unstable to handle guns, and others that wouldn't touch a gun on a dare.

    Maybe thats why you truned out the way ya did. Ya had liberal teachers.
     
  8. ellis36

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    For sure! I remember my Ag. teacher organizing dove hunts after school for seniors. They would bring their shotguns to school on the school bus, along with a coat pocket full of shells. After school they would walk out to the corn field behind the football field for the shoot. Afterwards he would haul them home in his ’49 Chevy sedan in time for them to help with the feeding and milking.

    But that was a different time in a different world. Long, long ago!
     
  9. cblowe13

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    Wow I can't imagine bringing a shotgun and shells to my school I gaurantee you'd be locked up
     
  10. PanBaccha

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    Is that drill akin to what I remember in grade school during the sputnik-commie era that prompted kids to hide under their desks?
     

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  11. AlphaKoncepts

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    Yeah I have been to school and I had teachers talk about hunting and camping and target shooting, and even some who told me they used to bring their gun to school and hunt on their walk home. Not all teachers are too inept to handle a gun, and yes some teachers are. Nobody should be forced to handle a gun if they don't want to. But those who choose to, should be given that right to defend themselves and the children in their care.


    But for God's sake, how about some locks on those doors!
     
  12. sbeezy

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    I agree with locks on the doors but that would open a whole other can of worms with teachers diddling their students or opening themselves to accusations of said diddling.

    They should do drills, but in the end what good they do? You hide in a corner and become one big group of targets.

    At least give teachers the option of being armed. I know a lot of them wouldn't take advantage of the ability to carry, but it only takes one to save a lot of people.
     
  13. AlphaKoncepts

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    I know what you are saying about locks on the doors, not to mention fire issues.
     
  14. ClemsonSCJ

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    You mean to tell me you're against allowing teachers, facility and students (in the instances where students are old enough) being able to concealed carry in schools? That's the absolute stupidest thing I've ever heard!
     
  15. AlphaKoncepts

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    I was thinking the same, but trying to be nice about it :)
     
  16. ClemsonSCJ

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    My boss at work gave us a tour through their new church. They had a pretty great idea for these types of scenarios (factoring out the gun of course...the best scenario however, would be having armed teachers, faculty, and students). They had 15-20 "class rooms" set up downstairs and each room had 1-way bullet proof glass in the wall, and the doors all had electronic locks on them that could all be activated from a single classroom and various locations around the building. If the "intruder alarm" was set off, all the door are electronically locked, and since the BG can't see inside, he doesn't know if the room is worth trying to break into. But in case the fire alarm or something were to go off, all doors can be opened from inside the room. And as for "diddling", the only way the classrooms can be locked is by the "intruder alarm". Their logic was, that's the only scenario they could imagine the doors needed to be locked.
     
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  17. ClemsonSCJ

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    Shoot, I'm a college student who has a CWP and still has to sit in a classroom each and every day and wonder, if a shooting broke out, what in earth could I do other than A)run, or B) cower down and take it. Screw being nice, I want my safety and security, and most of all, my rights back!
     
  18. ClemsonSCJ

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    Better yet, I'd like to hear a good explanation as to why I have gone through all the unconstitutional steps that South Carolina requires me to go through to prove to them that I am competent, sane, and responsible enough to take advantage of a right that should have been afforded to me in the first place, yet when I cross the imaginary boundary of a public school campus, all of that competency, sanity, and responsibility no longer counts for anything? If you can explain that to me, then I'll be glad to listen to anything else you have to say.
     
  19. ClemsonSCJ

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    I would also like for anyone to explain to me why a good friend of my family's went to prison many many years ago for 6 months simply because he made a few bad decisions, yet since then is an active member in church and just an all around awesome friend, yet because he is a "felon", he cannot legally purchase a firearm for his own self defense. You could put a gun in his hand, aim it at someone's head and offer him countless dollars to pull the trigger and he wouldn't do it. But at the same time, someone in his same position who perhaps intends to do harm to others is going to have no problem finding a gun off the streets.

    It is this type of "common sense" gun control that we fall hook-line-and-sinker for, allowing our government to slowly chip away at our rights and the next thing you know we're having to fight for the rights of even law abiding citizens being able to purchase and carry guns. The 2nd amendment is as liberal and conservative as it needs to be. States should not have the right to go diddling into its wording to change it to their liking. As a matter of fact, they DO NOT have the right to do that, yet somehow they are getting away with it. "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." I see nothing in there that mentions permits, schools, felons, or anything else. I do, however, see that it is the ONLY amendment in the entire Constitution that happened to include the words "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!"
     
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