Questions when looking for C&R guns

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by Slickrick214, Nov 7, 2008.

  1. Slickrick214

    Slickrick214 New Member

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    Some of you guys might have seen my thread in the club house secion of the forum. In this post I was asking for websites that sell historic guns. I got a bunch of websites and I started looking around. while looking I started to get questions that I was hoping you guys could help answer. What does it mean when they say that major parts have been electropenciled to match? Also when they say metal is mostly patina mix what do they mean? Do they mean the barrel and everything is going to be really rusty?
     
  2. janikphoto

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    can you provide links to the items you are looking at?
     

  3. Slickrick214

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    MAUSER K98 237 1940; 8 mm; 97% blue, good bore, good stock, 24'' barrel, Russian capture import marked. Major parts electropenciled to match. Other small parts mis-matched. Has cleaning rod., s/n 86xxb
     
  4. Benning Boy

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    Russian captures were often stripped of the cleaning rod and a small screw to render them "de-milled", neither action rendered the weapon inoperable.


    Guns with mismatched serial numbers are of course less desirable to collectors.

    Try Southern Ohio Guns, if you have a C&R, excellent deals.
     
  5. Slickrick214

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    I would but I don't have a C&R license. I know they're less desirable but it seems thats what you get for 300-450 dollars. Looking at Simpsons website it seems like the true WWII K98k's with correct, un-peened Nazi markings all go for over 1,000 dollars. The one on Simpsons website that I really liked was this one:

    MAUSER K98 42 1940; 8 mm; 60% blue, very good bore, good stock, 24'' barrel, Matching except bolt and floorplate which match each other. E/H on stock. Metal is mostly a patina mix. Missing capture screws but action screws also match. Has cleaning rod and includes a reproduction leather sling. No import markings found., s/n 23xxu


    I'd lose the ugly red repro sling and it seems like I would have a pretty nice historic rifle. Judging by the pictures and close ups the stock seems to be in good condition and the bluing seems ok. What I'm not sure about is the patina mix they talk about.
     
  6. Benning Boy

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    The patina mix, I believe, is the fancy word for the discoloration where the bluing is gone. More interesting is the lack of import marks, as most importers are required to deface the firearm with their companys name being etched onto it.

    I heartily reccomend the license. Your only stumbling block might be your location. You need an LEO who won't dispute your application. If you can get it, the world of historic firearms will open up to you, and your credit cards and local UPS guy will weep.
     
  7. Slickrick214

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    Are you saying thats a good thing or a bad thing. Is it something that doesn't matter or does it detract from the overall quality?



    How do you get it and how long does it take. When it comes to the goverment most of the time things always take forever. I'm not going to wait 6 months just to get a license.

    Your going to have to explain this part better. This is my first gun dealing with FFL laws. Up till now I've only been buying and shooting black powder guns. Why would my area be a problem and whats a LEO?
     
  8. Benning Boy

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    Import marks are when a company like Century imports a firearm from, say, Russia. The gun is pristine, has all original arsenal markings, etc. They are required to scrawl their name into the gun. Does this detract from the function? No. Frankly, My guns are for shooting, so they could put NASCAR stickers on it, and it wouldn't bother me. But some folks appreciate the historical significance of a gun, and want it as close to original as possible.

    Getting the license entails calling BATFE, having them mail you the forms, and then submitting a copy to the chief LEO in your community. If they have no problem with you as a collector, they are required to do nothing. My license took exactly 60 days to hit my mailbox.

    If you are in Philadelphia, you MAY have issues. I'm not there, so anything I know about Philly is conjecture, but the GOV was holding press conferences not long ago cursing the SKS (C&R eligible) since one was used in a shooting.
     
  9. janikphoto

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    People need to stop blaming the firearm and start blaming the nuts who turn them on other people. Some of the worse shootings happened with bolt action rifles (the clock tower shooting in Austin, TX and the JFK assassination). I bet someone could do some nasty business with a pair of single black powder rifles if they were skilled enough...
     
  10. Slickrick214

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    What is the connection patch number for the BATFE to get this form. I was looking on thier website and I wasn't sure which number to call. Would it be my local field division, division council or something else? The only other phone number I see on thier website is 703-455-7801.
     
  11. janikphoto

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    I forget what number I called, but when I did, the woman answering the phone seemed annoyed. I guess they don't like helping people?!? She sent the forms, though. I just haven't sent them back in yet.
     
  12. Benning Boy

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    Check out surplus rifle.com, they provide and excellent walkthrough on the process.

    BATFE, much as I take pause to say it, was polite and professional to me. While I know they're perhaps not the most popular organization on a gun forum, they are the ones issuing the license, and provide you with a ton of literature, almost as if to say "Hey, don't forget you're qualified to get that one, too!"

    This is really the best kept secret in our world, and you'd be amazed at what is available to you once the license is obtained.
     
  13. herp_man2003

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    You can also order your app's online. Thats what i did. Payed with me cc and it took me around five weeks to get it. I'm not so sure about the leo (law enforcement officer) having to approve you app though. Trust me its the best 30 buck you could spent. Its nice having the ups guy knock with you new gun in hand. Thanks Anthony
     
  14. Slickrick214

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    Thanks I'll call tomm to get the forms for the C&R license. Right now I was seriously thinking of getting this Mauser 98K from Simpsons. I called them up today and put a hold on it. Don't know of they marked it on thier website yet but as soon as all the paperwork with the C&R for is done I'll have it shipped to me. They have a 60 day hold so that should give me enough time.

    http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_info.php?cPath=160_161_191&products_id=6882&osCsid=98e950c3c27c9b9da708c61a5b23ceb6

    What do you guys think?
     
  15. ScottG

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    Your area LEO doesn't get to approve it, you're just informing him you have applied for it. They have no say in the matter, unless maybe the applicant is a criminal and they inform the BATFE....
     
  16. Slickrick214

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    Thanks Scott. I ended up getting that K98k I posted the link to from Simpsons. I'm kind of nervous though I hope I made the right choice with this gun. I won't relax until its in my hands and I can inspect it myself.
     
  17. ScottG

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    Good. Let us know how long it takes to get it in your hands and the condition of the rifle as compared to the description. And a range report too....
     
  18. Slickrick214

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    I will once I get it. I'll also take close up pictures and post them here. Hopefully the gun will get to the FFL dealer sometime between tomm (Wed) and Friday.