Question on shipping a handgun

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by Westy, Aug 20, 2011.

  1. Westy

    Westy New Member

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    I read a post here a while back on what you could and could not do for shipping a handgun but can't seem to find it now. Perhaps someone here can refresh my memory.

    I need to ship a handgun to a FFL in Texas. Can I ship via mail or do I have to go UPS NDA? I am not a FFL.

    Thanks in advance!
     
  2. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Get a copy of the FFL's license that has an original signature.
    Then goto FEDEX and send it to him.

    You have proof that you sent it to an FFL holder and that it had been shipped.
     

  3. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    ONLY a Dealer or Manufacturer can MAIL a handgun by US Mail. All of the rest of us in the unwashed masses must use FedEx or UPS Next Day Air. Postal regs are covered in the Domestic Mail Manual, under Restricted Mailings. Tariffs (rules) of USP and FedEx require next day air.

    This is VERY expensive. It may be a LOT cheaper to find a Dealer that will mail it for you. Even after paying Dealer for his time, HE can use US Priority Mail Flat Rate box, and it is fairly cheap. If YOU ship it, expect around $70-$75.
     
  4. Westy

    Westy New Member

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    Can I ship FedEx 3 day select without going through my FFL?
     
  5. dgray64

    dgray64 New Member

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    I was at a gun shop/range last week and the worker/owner told me I could ship a gun to myself in another state. Can anyone verify this?

    I know that when I had to have my Springfield SD40 repaired under warranty, they emailed a label for FedX and I just dropped it at a pickup station. In less than a week, FedEx delivered it back to me at home.

    Dave :)
     
  6. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Dave, yours was to and from the manufacturer. For a seller to send a firearm to a buyer, it is best to go through an FFL holder.
     
  7. dgray64

    dgray64 New Member

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    Yes, the Springfield was between the Mfg and me.

    On the other hand, since I'm in WV babysitting my grand kids while one of my daughters is deployed, I may need to ship a couple of carbines and a pistol back to myself in Texas when I go back, unless I drive. I flew up, but my wife hates to fly so we may drive back and that will solve everything. Thanks for any info.

    Dave :)
     
  8. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Two different issues here (I may ask Admin to make this a sticky)

    First is when ownership of a gun is being transferred across a state line. With the exception of INHERITANCE, the firearm must be sent TO a FFL in the home state of the recipient. The executor of an estate MAY ship a firearm directly to the person inheriting it in another state, so long as it is legal for the recipient to possess it in that state. Spelled out in US Code, Title 18, Section 922. Otherwise, when crossing a state line, AND ownership is changing, goes TO a FFL. (Does not apply to muzzeloaders, ball and cap revolvers, etc- they are not firearms. Does not apply to gun that THAT specific gun was made before 1899- that is an ANTIQUE.)

    Shipping- private citizen (no FFL) can ship a firearm TO a FFL anywhere in the US (except a handgun going INTO NY State must come FROM a FFL- state law in NY). You can MAIL a rifle or shotgun by US Mail- handguns cannot be mailed except by Dealers and Manufacturers. You can use UPS or FedEx Ground for rifles and shotguns. UPS and FedEx require next day air for HANDGUNS (go to their website, read their rules). Ask the receiving FFL for their FFL number- you can verify it on line with the ATF EZcheck system. Ship only to address on their license. (EZcheck does not work for 03 C&R FFLs- collectors- call the ATF to verify)

    Shipping to yourself- perfectly legal. No transfer of ownership. I can mail rifle to self in care of hunting lodge where I will be next week. Moving company can load my guns on the moving van, and deliver them to my new home.

    Shipping for repair- I can send a gun to a gunsmith or a manufacturer for repair. When repaired, they can return gun directly to me, OR send me a like kind replacement gun. Same shipping rules apply- mail is only for rifles and shotguns, UPS or FedEx for handguns. Again, no transfer of ownership.

    Ammunition- Ordinary rifle, shotgun and handgun ammo CANNOT be mailed by US Mail. It CAN be shipped from a UPS or FedEx hub. It goes as GROUND, not air. It is not regulated as HAZMAT unless it is over 66 lbs. No tracer, HE, nuclear missiles, napalm, or mustard gas. Mark box with ORM-D, cartridges, small arms. Or print this and attach to box: Cartridges-Small-Arms-ORM-Label-D1893.gif

    PRIMERS and POWDER not assembled into ammo is a Hazardous Material. Ammo will not "mass detonate"- primers and powder will. You will need to jump thru a number of hoops to ship that by UPS or FedEx, and it is going to be VERY expensive. Also applies to percussion caps. LIVE AMMO CANNOT BE MAILED in the US Mail.

    Want to be cute and mark a pistol or ammo as "metal goods" and drop it in the mail? The US Postal Inspection Service has the highest conviction rate of any Federal Law Enforcement Agency. Doing this is a Federal Felony. Be sure to let me know how that worked out for you, but I will NOT be mailing you a carton of cigarettes at your new home.
     
  9. c3shooter

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    Second post- Traveling by air with a gun.

    Yes, you can do it- spend some time reading first. Go to the TSA website, AND website for YOUR airline.

    Gun MUST be UNLOADED (better check it twice) will need to be a LOCKED hardcase, and in your CHECKED (not carry-on) baggage. You MUST "declare" the firearm to the airline.

    When you approach check in person, smile, and say (are you writing this down, son?) "Good morning. I would like to declare an unloaded firearm in my checked baggage." Do NOT walk up, scowl, and say "I have a gun." :eek: They will usually take you to one side, have you unlock case, may ask if it is unloaded, have you sign declaration of unloaded gun, which is placed in case. Close, lock case, hand to TSA person, go get on airplane. Pistol case can be inside suitcase. Beware state rules on firearms if you have an unplanned layover, like NY or NJ.

    AMMO- read your airline rules. Modest amount allowed, must be in enclosed boxes like the ones you bought it in. CANNOT be in magazines (primer of top round is exposed in a magazine).

    When you arrive at destination, rifle cases may be in baggage office, not on carousel. Be sure to have card with your ID and phone number INSIDE the case.
     
  10. dgray64

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    Thanks, c3shooter. That covers everything and should be a sticky. Have a great day.

    Dave :)
     
  11. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Dang C3Shooter, you're good!

    Thanks for the info. May I print it out for reference?
     
  12. JonM

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    i think im dense. can i mail a shotgun/pistol to myself to my parent's home in texas (going dove hunting in september for my birthday). if so do i have to use next day air ups/fedex??

    i dont know why this confuses me lol
     
  13. c3shooter

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    Yes, you are welcome to print-

    Jon- you can MAIL a shotgun to yourself at your parents home. Send it to "Jon M in c/o Momma/ Daddy M. 1313 Mockingbird Lane, Wherezit, TX"- and let your folks know it is coming. Technically they are not supposed to open it.

    You CANNOT mail a handgun by US Mail unless you hold a FFL as a Dealer or Manufacturer. You CAN ship one to yourself by UPS or FedEx Next Day Air. Expect to pay about $75. It i frequently CHEAPER to find a dealer that you can pay to have them mail it for you. THEY can use US Mail flat rate Priority Mail boxes- if they charge you $25, plus $10.45 postage, that is better than $75.
     
  14. c3shooter

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    Westy- can't say- you did not say what you are shipping, and for what purpose.:confused::confused::confused:

    handguns- Next day Air. Unless you are a Dealer with an FFL

    Does not have to be shipped BY a FFL, but when crosssing a state line, AND ownership is changing, must go TO a FFL in recipient's home state.
     
  15. ironmike0311

    ironmike0311 New Member

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    I left a box in IL that has one of my pistols in it, at my exs when I moved back to NC, judging by this the easiest thing for her to do is take pistol and case to a dealer there and let them deal with the shipping, since it isn't a transfer, at the worst probably 30 bucks? Sound about right?

    To cover all bases of the question, she has an IL foid so it is legal for her to possess, but she needs to send it to me, the owner (permit/ccw) in NC
     
  16. ironmike0311

    ironmike0311 New Member

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    Got the actual quotes, from ffl to ffl, 65 insured (55 uninsured) on the shipping end in IL, 30 on the receiving end in NC. They're basically having to treat it as a sale since its over state lines

    Called three different ffls in 60515 and all gave me the same shipping quote, it may be that the cheaper shipping option isn't avail. In that part of IL. I'll just be glad to have my property back lol...
     
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  17. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    I just went through this a couple weeks ago. Individuals must ship via UPS or FedEx next day air. It was going to cost me $88 to ship a handgun to an FFL in California.

    FFL's have much more flexibility in shipping. I took the pistol to an FFL I use, and he charged me $30.