Question on Critical Defense vs regular rounds...

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by stakhaus, Nov 6, 2011.

  1. stakhaus

    stakhaus New Member

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    Good day fellow Hand Gun Owners,

    I have been perplexed over the discussions on carrying Critical Defense Rounds JHP etc for personal protection. I normally carry the same rounds i practice with at the range. My thoughts are this, I train as I fight, if I am in a situation where I HAVE to pull the trigger, the placement of the round is everything. If I can put two in the chest that is all that is needed, maybe a follow up to the face. Please help me to understand all the hype or truth on using Critical Defense Hydra Shocks Hollow Points etc, for protection.

    Thanks for the feedback.

    Stakhaus
     
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  2. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    hollow points have a very good chance of making bigger holes dropping the goblin's blood pressure faster saving your life or a loved ones sooner. the sooner a goblin is stopped the better the chance of survival.

    point of impact from load to load at 7yards (typical SD range) is negligible.

    for practical use bullet drop isnt a real factor until you get out and beyound 25yards. yeah you want to dial in an exact poi vs poa if your bullseye competition shooting. your talking fractions of an inch from light loads to heavy loads at SD ranges.
     
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  3. woody63m

    woody63m New Member

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    I use hydra shok because I've been shot with one in the stomach and they hurt like hell almost died more times then I can count lucky as all hell though I'm living that and in court for me it wouldn't be so bad. Your honor I shot him with a bullet that I can catch so I figured he could catch it to it's only 11 months in the hospital if he doesn't die first
     
  4. MrWray

    MrWray New Member

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    I went out this afternoon and shot a few mags out of my 1911. I was using Hornady TAP 230g jhp.. i was shooting at paper targets into a soft dirt and clay mixed berm. Afterwards i dug a few bullets out of the clay. I think that they mushroomed pretty decent.

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    Thats a big hunk of lead..
     
  5. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The HP ammo also limits penetration in most cases which limits collateral damage. Sometimes the Hollow point bullets will plug on clothing and act as a solid. Hornady Critical Defense is designed not to plug. This is also where the 45acp excels. it is big going in and if it doesnt expand it is still big going out.
     
  6. stakhaus

    stakhaus New Member

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    thanks for the input...

    Thanks fellas for the input, it is making me rethink what I load in my CC.

    Stak
     
  7. sweeper22

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    JHP's will...

    1) Dump more energy into a target, rather than carry it through the target.
    2) Expand, making for a bigger hole.
    3) Be less likely to exit your target and hit whatever exists beyond it.

    ...that's enough reason for me.
     
  8. Werminator

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    Let's not miss one of the most important parts of a round dumping energy... If a bullet hits with enough energy it creates a virtual wound cavity... This refers to the outter diameter of the bullet's impact being sucked in with the round and doing more damage to surrounding tissue than the damage done specifically by the bullet. This phenomena is more noteworthy when discussing rifle rounds due to their much higher speed and consequently higher energy on target. A round nosed bullet will push tissue out of its way while a hollow point will actually pull tissue in with it as it enters the target. The dynamics of a hollow point make it much more effective in doing damage to a gremlin and most defensive rounds are also loaded to +P rated pressures which increase the velocity it has comingout of the barrel and this also contributes to much more energy on target.
     
  9. stakhaus

    stakhaus New Member

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    Werminator, when you say + O, por can you be a little more specific, I have started reloading my own and have purchased some Hornady XTP bullets. I would like to come as close as possible to a critical defense round in my reloading process...

    Thanks...
     
  10. stakhaus

    stakhaus New Member

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    Werminator that should be + P autocorrect got me...
     
  11. Polygon

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    The reason I use defensive rounds is because I don't want the round going through the BG and into someone else.
     
  12. Jpyle

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    Beyond what has already been stated some critical defense rounds use a Nickel coated casing to help with a "brass check" as well as low flash powder to limit loss of night vision. +p loads like Hornady Critical Duty and Winchester Ranger are better suited for LE use. The higher pressures make for better barrier penetration not typical in self defense situations. The higher penetration increases pass through risk if used in the home.
     
  13. PanBaccha

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    I have both FMJ and HP ready in barrel. With this climate change
    happening rather quickly I need to be prepared for whatever
    seasonal costume the BG's might be wearing that night.
    :rolleyes:
     
  14. IGETEVEN

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    Indeed. I have always carried staggered loaded mags as well....all year round, all guns. :cool:
     
  15. michigan0626

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    I never even thought about that. So, would you carry ball ammo instead during the winter months? I havent really thought about it because here in Florida I wear cargo shorts, flip flops, and a t-shirt 12 months a year. I might add a thin jacket if it gets really cold, like 35-40 F. :rolleyes:

    So, when I go to Detroit this December, would ball be the best route since everyone will probably be wearing thick coats and jackets?
     
  16. IGETEVEN

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    I have always carried staggered loaded mags. ball and JHP....all year round, all carried guns.

    Blanket coverage and shot placement is King. Contrary to popular belief, it does not affect one's accuracy. Try it, you might like it.
    :cool:
     
  17. JTJ

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    It is not a good idea to use home loaded ammo for defense. A prosecutor or lawyer would have a heyday in court making you out to be some kind of monster. I like the idea of the Critical Defense ammo but a good guide line is to find out what the LEO's in your area are using and use the same.
     
  18. PanBaccha

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    FMJ will have a greater chance of penetration if BG wore thick clothing.
    HP's will get snagged and tangled with threads of jacket.
     
  19. therewolf

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    Just try to not to use the CD ammo

    accidentally at the range!

    It costs 5 times what FMJs do, arrrgh!
     
  20. DodgeThis

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    STAK, try this...
    I had wondered how much difference it made as well a while back. At the time I was carrying a 357 snub. I took a few stacks of old phonebooks from the year before. I shot four different type rounds. Each time was at 20yds, into a new stack. First was a low power 38 in FMJ. Ripped through 6 1/2 books. The bullet was not distorted at all. Second was the same load, only it was lead round nose. 5 books. Good flat spread on the lead. Third was 38+P JHP. 7 books. The spread was phenominal. Last was 158 grain 357 semi jacketed hollow point. 8 1/2 books. The tiny little entrance hole was only about 1/4 the size of the bullet when I pulled it out of the paper. Not much on the topic, but where as the first three rounds made the stack of books flip 90 degrees to their backs, the 158 grain flipped the books 1/2 over and almost went another turn. JMHO go with the real stuff for carry. Another 2 cents of mine...look into Corbon PowerBall