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How is it done? Do you need some kind of license? Do you have to join the police force or the military to have the privilege of owning a assault weapon?
Is there a limit on the amount you can have?
 

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We are trying to create a different impression here at FirearmsTalk, so we now refer to these guns as Sport Utility Rifles (SURs).

There was a ban against US citizens owning SURs. This was at a time before I was interested in SURs, so I'm not sure of the details of how this law was written. This law was enacted at some point during Clinton's reign, and it expired under President Bush. Since the expiration, people in most states are free to purchase and own SURs so long as they are only capable of semi-automatic fire. The normal restrictions on the purchase and ownership of weapons applies, so nobody convicted of a crime, nobody who's mentally unstable, etc, etc.. I'm believe there are still minimum barrel length requirements, and a few other requirements, but I'm not sure about all the specifics for states outside of Kalifornia. Someone who lives in one of those states might chime in with the details.

I happen to live in Kalifornia. Our state government has had the wisdom to impose additional restrictions on the ownership of SUR's. [Not sure if this comes across right to non-native English speakers, so just to be sure, the previous statement is an example of sarcasm. In other words, wisdom is the last thing you would ever expect from a Kalifornia politician.] Here in Kalifornia, there are certain features that have been determined to be evil, and it is not permitted to own a gun with these evil features. If you follow the link I've posted below it will take you to a nice interactive flowchart. Answer the questions in the flowchart and it will tell you whether or not the weapon in question is legal (Props to CalGuns for the flowchart, a great forum for those of us stuck here in Kali BTW).

CalGuns Foundation AW Flowchart

Basically, what we do here in CA is use SURs with magazines with the capacity for no more than 10 rounds, and modify the weapon so that it requires a tool to detach the magazine (this makes it a non-detachable magazine according to the law). There are a few other things to be aware of (barrel length, overall length, certain specific weapon models on lists maintained by the government, etc.), but that is the crux of the issue. The tool most often used is the tip of a bullet, hence you will hear the term "bullet button" used to describe the type of mag release we use. Interestingly enough, the law specifically identifies a bullet as a permissible tool for this purpose. We're either incredibly lucky, or somebody had a lot of foresight when that law was written.
 

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We are trying to create a different impression here at FirearmsTalk, so we now refer to these guns as Sport Utility Rifles (SURs).

There was a ban against US citizens owning SURs. This was at a time before I was interested in SURs, so I'm not sure of the details of how this law was written. This law was enacted at some point during Clinton's reign, and it expired under President Bush. Since the expiration, people in most states are free to purchase and own SURs so long as they are only capable of semi-automatic fire. The normal restrictions on the purchase and ownership of weapons applies, so nobody convicted of a crime, nobody who's mentally unstable, etc, etc.. I'm believe there are still minimum barrel length requirements, and a few other requirements, but I'm not sure about all the specifics for states outside of Kalifornia. Someone who lives in one of those states might chime in with the details.

I happen to live in Kalifornia. Our state government has had the wisdom to impose additional restrictions on the ownership of SUR's. [Not sure if this comes across right to non-native English speakers, so just to be sure, the previous statement is an example of sarcasm. In other words, wisdom is the last thing you would ever expect from a Kalifornia politician.] Here in Kalifornia, there are certain features that have been determined to be evil, and it is not permitted to own a gun with these evil features. If you follow the link I've posted below it will take you to a nice interactive flowchart. Answer the questions in the flowchart and it will tell you whether or not the weapon in question is legal (Props to CalGuns for the flowchart, a great forum for those of us stuck here in Kali BTW).

CalGuns Foundation AW Flowchart

Basically, what we do here in CA is use SURs with magazines with the capacity for no more than 10 rounds, and modify the weapon so that it requires a tool to detach the magazine (this makes it a non-detachable magazine according to the law). There are a few other things to be aware of (barrel length, overall length, certain specific weapon models on lists maintained by the government, etc.), but that is the crux of the issue. The tool most often used is the tip of a bullet, hence you will hear the term "bullet button" used to describe the type of mag release we use. Interestingly enough, the law specifically identifies a bullet as a permissible tool for this purpose. We're either incredibly lucky, or somebody had a lot of foresight when that law was written.
wow this thing confusing....:(
 

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Most firearms owners don't really like to use the term "Assault Rifle" or "Assault Weapon". The reason is these are terms that are applied to firearms that look like machine guns. These terms are used mainly by the media here because they are incapable of understanding the differences between an M-16 and an AR-15. They may look the same but they are different, mostly internally.

In all actually any weapon that is used in an assault (of another human being) can be considered an "Assault Weapon". Ball bats, knives, broom handles, rocks, hand tools or a heavy skillet can all be assault weapons. Example: If you beat someone with your fist and are arrested, you commeted "assault". Therefore your fist can be considered an assault weapon. Of course you won't hear the media in America admit anything like this. It's common sence and the media has none.
 

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I always understood the definition of an As--salt rifle as being a select-fire weapon firing an intermediate powered cartridge.
The liberal media grabbed onto the catch phrase and have promoted it to the point that even gun owners are referring to semi-automatic rifles as asult-rifles. Seems they're winning the propaganda battle.
You can buy a semi look-alike in most juristictions- but to own a true select-fire/full auto aslt-rifle, MG, or SMG you need to submit to extensive backround checks, get consent from local heads of law enforcement, pay fed excise tax and then...maybe be allowed to cough up the many thousands of dollars to actually buy one
I personally don't know anyone that has one
my .02---Ken
 

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Not me, I just got me a deer rifle.

 

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It is an assault-style rifle, but is definitely not an actual assault rifle. Well, I guess there are a few full auto with all the brady bill bits and pieces available for sale to the general public, but 99% of firearms enthusiasts don't own those.
 

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wow this thing confusing....:(
It is confusing because the Anti-Gunners have tried to convince the public that there is no difference between an M-16 and an AR-15. They have spent millions of dolllars and we are now trying to play catch up. Myths and falshoods must be reversed.

Sports Utility Rifles AKA. Anti-Assault Rifles (used to repel or deter an assault) are legal to own w/o restriction everywhere in America. Kalifornia is not a part of America any longer. It was granted independence as the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia.
 

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Hitler was the one that coined the term "assualt rifle" or "assault weapon" and it referred to selective fire weapons. That's why almost all of our rifles are NOT assault rifles, but instead para military style rifles. As long as you're not a criminal, been convicted of a felony, or 1 with mental sickness, or having proven to be violent, you may currently own as many as you can afford. With our new *UGH* president, the assault weapons ban will soon be reinstated.
 

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...Kalifornia is not a part of America any longer. It was granted independence as the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia.
Of course, he is using sarcasm to make a point. California is not literally a new country, just metaphorically. Please remember, our original poster is from China and may not get some of our more subtle points...

California has some screwed up laws that allow criminals to do what they want, but law-abiding citizens are left high and dry.
 

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Perhaps wishful thinking on my part or maybe prophetic, only time will tell.

Very few jurisdictions place restrictions on the ownership of semi-automatic weapons, regardless of their cosmetic appearance.
 

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I'm curious to have hunter answer the same question about semi-auto rifles in China. Can you walk in to a gun shop and buy an AR-15 off the shelf? What restrictions are in place there?
 

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wow this thing confusing....:(
Yes, it can be confusing.

Personally I use "assault weapon" in its military context, a weapon capable of fully automatic fire. In the US citizens can own fully automatic weapons if they are registered with the feds and you pay the "tax stamp".

What the anti-gun folks and the media call "assault weapons", what we around here have taken to calling Sport Utility Rifles, SURs :), are simply semi-automatics that are modeled on or look somewhat like something the military might have --- e.g. the AR-15 modeled on the M-16. The antis want to ban things because they have some feature(s) that they think may "look" military e.g. pistol grips, collapsible stocks, flash suppressors, etc. They are stupid definitions but then antis are stupid so I guess it works for them.

A few states, very few actually, have restrictions on some types of firearms and some even have registration --- as I recall most don't. In my state, Florida, the only restrictions are the normal federal automatic weapons restrictions and the stupid 3 day waiting period (which is waived if you have a license to carry concealed); we do not have any registration or limits on the number of weapons -- you can buy or own the number you can afford (or since the election the type and number you can find in the stores :)

Yes, its all very confusing :)
 

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Assault Weapons are rarely used for such. I think most are used for plinking, target shooting, defending homes etc. Very few people in the US mount "assaults" with these guns. And the majority of people who DO mount assaults are drug gangs or FBI or Govt sponsored. Not the general population. The media has done an incredible job of subjective reporting on these guns. Give them credit. Hitler would be proud of the US propaganda machine.
 

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I don't think you're going to find someone in Shanghai China having access to a gun forum, naming himself "Gestapo Hunter" . . .

Access online in China is tightly censored, monitored. The avatar alone would get a Chinese national hanged or shot.

You're feeding the troll.
 

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Interesting, restrictions on a SUR in the States. Who would have thought.
Especially the separating of "assault rifles" and look a likes. why not just get the real thing?
(says smug me stroking my SIG57)
As to Hitler penning the name assault rifle, sorry ol' Addie had forbidden the construction of the MP44 do not forget he was a infantry man in big bang 1
and pretty conservative as to what you need to shoot people. Only when it was sold to him as a Sturmgewehr a storm rifle did he allow manafacture.
 

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Interesting, restrictions on a SUR in the States. Who would have thought.
Especially the separating of "assault rifles" and look a likes. why not just get the real thing?
(says smug me stroking my SIG57)
As to Hitler penning the name assault rifle, sorry ol' Addie had forbidden the construction of the MP44 do not forget he was a infantry man in big bang 1
and pretty conservative as to what you need to shoot people. Only when it was sold to him as a Sturmgewehr a storm rifle did he allow manafacture.
I heard different... I read somewhere that he had okayed it only after someone telling him it was a machine pistol, with emphasis on the pistol part. Can't remember where I read this... maybe I heard it on the H-channel :\
 
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