Question about 1911's

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by cddbrowns, Jan 25, 2011.

  1. cddbrowns

    cddbrowns New Member

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    I know the couple of "big boy" 1911's out there, but I have a question about 2 specifically. I am able to get a Kimber Ultra Carry and a Colt 1911 for about the same price right out of the box, which would YOU go with?

    If you have a better preference than either of those two, what are they? I am currently looking for my first 1911 and want the best of the best without having to take out a second mortgage on the house.....:p

    New here, so take it easy fellas. LOL!
     
  2. cddbrowns

    cddbrowns New Member

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    I know the couple of "big boy" 1911's out there, but I have a question about 2 specifically. I am able to get a Kimber Ultra Carry and a Colt 1911 for about the same price right out of the box, which would YOU go with?

    If you have a better preference than either of those two, what are they? I am currently looking for my first 1911 and want the best of the best without having to take out a second mortgage on the house.....

    New here, so take it easy fellas. LOL!
     

  3. NGIB

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    A mod will move this shortly so no harm done. What do you want a 1911 for?

    Among "production" 1911s, some folks like Colt, some like Kimber, I prefer Springfield, the list goes on and on. We have a lot of 1911s gurus here so if you tell us what you'll use it for - we can give some good advice...
     
  4. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    What is the intended use of said 1911?

    Among "production" 1911s, some folks like Colt, some like Kimber, I prefer Springfield, the list goes on and on. We have a lot of 1911s gurus here so if you tell us what you'll use it for - we can give some good advice...
     
  5. cddbrowns

    cddbrowns New Member

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    Well, it was going to be my personal carry pistol, and my goal is to have one of each caliber in a different manufacturer, as my collection. I already have a 40 Smith and Wesson, a 308 Ruger, and I am looking at a 45. New to the gun world here so dont get all crazy laughin at me quite yet. LOL!

    Either way, wanted something I could carry and shoot at the range when I felt the desire to.
     
  6. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Kimber is okay, but if you want to make changes later, I would buy the Colt.

    Springers are decent and can be updated. I have one that has lasted a long time and will still outshoot the latest Kimber.
     
  7. NGIB

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    The really short barreled 1911s can be very picky and tend to eat springs. Generally I like to stay with nothing shorter than 4" as far as barrel length. While I don't currently have one - it's hard to go wrong with a Colt and they make a number of "carryable" 1911s. Canebrake will be along shorty to teach the class...
     
  8. cddbrowns

    cddbrowns New Member

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    Cool, good info. Dont know much about "upgrading" a 1911 as most of my friends have Kimbers. That would explain a lot as it seems you cant upgrade a Kimber that well. I am building an AR-15 as well so I am all about getting the best of the best parts for the gun and that would just add to the new "hobby" I have picked up. HA! The one thing that I was concerned about was value down the road, I would imagine that the Colt would hold its value much longer than the Kimber simply for the name, but I didnt want to pay for the name over quality of the Kimber as I have heard nothing but WONDERFUL from the friends that have them.

    Keep the advice comin!
     
  9. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    TBH, all the name brand production 1911s will hold their value but Colt is a tad special in that regard. As far as upgrading - you can do the same stuff with any true 1911 but be sure to ask yourself why. Adding bells & whistles just for the sake of adding bells & whistles does not increase the value of the gun nor make it necessarily more reliable or accurate.

    The BEST 1911 accessory, bar none, is quality magazines...
     
  10. DrJason

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    I know you said you don't want to "mortgage the house" for the purchase but what is your budget?
     
  11. cddbrowns

    cddbrowns New Member

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    Would like to stay under 1000, but will go around 1200 if necessary.
     
  12. cddbrowns

    cddbrowns New Member

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    Not really bells and whistles type upgrading, the quality of the parts is what I mean. Example is I am ordering the Titanium Nitride bolt carrier for the AR. Long lasting, tough and will add value to the rifle in the long run.
     
  13. DrJason

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    I'm also in the market for a 1911, at the SHOT show I got to handle a lot of 1911 from all the "big" guys. In your price range you should be able to get a quality gun, but it will have some MIM parts, some people don't like that and will want to change them out.

    I was personally disappointed with fit and triggers the Colts I held. The Kimbers, S&W, and Sig were all pretty good. Nothing compared to the fit and trigger feel on the Nighthawk (but those are at least $1000 over your budget).

    Your best bet is go to your local shop handle as many as you can, and if possible rent some to shoot at the range. What feels good in my hand may not in yours.
     
  14. NGIB

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    I've owned just about every brand of 1911 at your price point and it really is just a matter of personal preference. None of them will be hand fit, all will have some MIM parts, and for the most part they will all perform the same. One of the reason I prefer Springers is they do not have a firing pin block like the Colts, Kimbers, and others do. The FPB doesn't bother me per se, I just hate reinstalling the little "links" after a complete detail strip...
     
  15. Dillinger

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    Look who was paying attention in class last week. :p
     
  16. cddbrowns

    cddbrowns New Member

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    Just got back from The Armory here in Va Beach, handled several 1911's and despite the fact that there are a lot of MIM parts, their prices for Kimbers cant be beat and I think I am going to go with the Ultra Crimsion Trace. Thanks for the advice guys.

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  17. Dillinger

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    Which Ultra Carry and which Colt to start with? That will go a long ways towards helping you make a decision.

    I have shot a couple of Ultra Carry models from Kimber. Recently I rented one for a magazine test I did for the Staff section. What I do not like about this particular product line is that the slide and frame are not the same material. So you have metals with different hardness ratings rubbing against each other every time the weapon cycles. This causes wear on the weaker of the two surfaces. In this case, it will be the slide wearing on the aluminum frame.

    For carrying, this makes the weapon lighter, so if weight is a concern this is the better option for you.

    As I am a bigger guy, I don't mind the weight of an all steel 4.25" 1911 in either a shoulder rig or a belt rig. It feels right for me.

    As Dr. Jason has stated the most important thing is that you spend some time shooting as many different types of 1911's as you can BEFORE you make a purchase because what might be right for any of us, could be a train wreck for you. :eek:

    Good luck.

    JD
     
  18. cddbrowns

    cddbrowns New Member

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    Colt Combat Commander. Im a big guy too so weight means nothing, but I do like the look of the 3 in barrel as well as the concealed properties of it. If the Colt Defender was available, this wouldnt have been a question. LOL! The Kimber is a Crimson Trace, the 3 inch bull barrel version.

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    Either way, I have shot the Kimber before, went with a buddy, but not the Colt. Finding one of those to shoot is a bit hard within my area.
     
  19. NGIB

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    Get some spare recoil springs and keep them on hand. The springs in those little guns only last 500-1000 rounds or so. I forget what Kimber recommends but 750 rounds and replace is in the ballpark.

    Oh, make sure you really need/want a laser before investing in it. Kimber loves to sell the CT equipped guns as they must get a great deal on the grips from CT...
     
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  20. Dillinger

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    I agree with NGIB on the springs. Another thing to keep in mind is that weapon is difficult to field strip. You need this tiny *** allen wrench which is a pain in the ***.

    I shot a 3" Ultra as well and it did fine on feeding and function, even grouped pretty well. Of course I was running a Tripp's Research 7 round mag in a range gun, so the odds were slightly in my favor.

    If you like it, than get it and get some shots up of your first trip to the range. :D

    JD