Pump v. Semi auto

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by trapshooter11, May 13, 2012.

  1. trapshooter11

    trapshooter11 New Member

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    I have a Remington 1100 12 ga from trap shooting and was wondering if it is worth getting a pump such as the Remington 870. What do you like better semi auto or pump. If pump why and which pump do you suggest for trap?
     
  2. MikeJK

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    Is there a handicap league in trap like Heavy Metal or No Optic in 3Gun? If not I dont see why purchasing one would be worth it. I'm sure there's $300 in cool stuff you'd like to get for your 1100. I'd like to get a stock set and barrel for mine.
     

  3. HockaLouis

    HockaLouis New Member

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    Buy an 870 (yuck) if you want it to shoot Trap. Don't buy it TO shoot Trap -- no, you don't need it.
     
  4. Yunus

    Yunus New Member

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    A semi will make it easier. Maybe at some point you want to switch to pump to challenge yourself a bit.
     
  5. akers06

    akers06 New Member

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    I can shot a pump almost as fast as I can a semi auto....but I still like my semi autos until I have one malfunction on me then I'm ready to through it in the trash
     
  6. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I've never had any use for pumps. 19th century technology, IMHO.

    A quality, well maintained semi-auto is just as reliable, and doesn't rip your shoulder off.
     
  7. JSW79

    JSW79 New Member

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    I've had several well made autos jam on me! Just saying
     
  8. Gonzilla

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    I have both but I remember my first skeet primer, you have enough to do just concentrating on keeping the barrel moving to the next Tgt w/o having to pump as well. Very few people use a pump in competition.

    Now, there are some people who are just experts w pumps. They may even be faster than autos BUT these talents are rare - I don't know why. I remember seeing an older guy w pump 22 and it was almost full auto. Downright impressive to see.

    Most of the Big Dogs in skeet, have O/Us w barrel sets. I have only had jamming issues w my autos during the winter and when I fail to keep it clean.

    Trap is a separate discipline w higher ribs - the guns shoot high so you never lose sight of the Tgt. Trap guns are so specialized, I haven't seen many people use them for anything else.

    I hunt w an 870 syn pump because I don't want to take my wood autos through the brush.
     
  9. Blueguns

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    He was probably slam firing with the pump .22.
     
  10. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Was it properly maintained?

    If it was, you had a defective weapon that needed to be returned to the factory to be repaired.
     
  11. Gonzilla

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    Jamming Blues

    Baretta 391 Urika - properly cleaned its perfect But in the dead of winter, I have had some problems. Everyone w autos did.

    SKEET League:
    Conditions: bitter cold, so people w shoot and then run for the warming huts. The guns w warm up and condensation (water) w form, when you go back into the freezing cold, the condensation w freeze and the guns w fail. Even O/Us had problems opening the actions. ( X<2 = Lost Bird)

    Hindsight: an alcohol bath to remove all the old oil & grease until bone dry, then add the special oil they use in Alaska w probably have solved the problem but in the East Coast, CT, we rarely have these issues.

    Under normal conditions, I can run up to 400-500 rds before having issues and if I keep it well lubed, even longer.

    My Browning A500 was recoil operated, and that gun could fire dirty forever. It's just not as easy on the shoulder which is why I went w a gas gun.
     
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  12. Gonzilla

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    Slam Firing

    Not entirely sure what that is ? I have Rossi's copy of Win pump and you can hold the trigger down and the gun will fire as fast as you can pump the gun. If this is slam firing, yes - I can do it too but I can't seem to hit anything while I'm doing it. :eek:

    I have a pump 22, 20 gauge, and 35 Rem. and while reasonably proficient, I am not one of the "pump people." their machine like efficiency achieves a rymthem that approaches an "art" form.

    I have come to the conclusion that there are just some people who can maximize the potential of a weapon's platform. You can usually spot them on the range, they hit everything !

    If you want to see what your stock gun is capable of (& your ego can handle it) just let them borrow it. LOL
     
  13. HockaLouis

    HockaLouis New Member

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    Huh? Please explain.
     
  14. HockaLouis

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    Com'on man -- r u really trying to tell folks on a shotgun forum that semi's are as reliable as pumps? Please think about your answer carefully before u lose all credibility. Forever.
     
  15. locutus

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    I don't worry about my credilility. I have enough personal experience with both pump and sami-auto shotguns to know.

    I doubt that you have anywhere near my experience.
     
  16. HockaLouis

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    I presume that means you are sticking to your claim that semi-autos are as reliable as pumps. You'll eventually try to qualify this I believe. Backpedal. But it is too late. Let's say for argument's sake you're right about the experience. It is meaningless if one doesn't learn (the correct lesson) from it.

    Yeah, I think you just lost credibility re: shotguns (and probably the "experience" claim too).

    Oh, and, did I mention forever?
     
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  17. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    If it makes you happy to believe old wive's tales, then by all means go ahead and believe them.:p
     
  18. MikeJK

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    Semiautomatics have been as reliable as pumps in my experience. The most reliable shotgun I have ever had or been issued was a Savage over under 20/22. I've owned 2 1100s that have ran 100% while hunting and in 3Gun. I own an 870 that has been 100% for hunting. I was issued a 590 while deployed. The only shotgun that ever gave me problems was the 930 SPX when they first came out. Moss had problems with them at first. I should have just sent it in for repair because now I'm wanting another. I've heard issues w/ both semi and pump. For me reliability means it will do what I need every time. In most cases a semi will fill that role better than a pump. I need fast and ease of use w/ the fewest amount of steps. Hell the first 1100 was purchased in the late 80s and is going strong.
     
  19. Hookeye

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    I've owned over a dozen different autos and a dozen different pumps, yeah that doesn't mean much............but of the thousands of shots fired through those rigs I've had 4 failures.

    3 of them were in a single Mossberg 500 (purchased new). One gun, 3 fails.

    Had 1 fail in one auto...........but that due to gumming up the mag tube, oiled in storage and forgot to wipe it off before a dove hunt. Was running a 1100 magnum with low brass dove loads...............and it ran fine until it gummed up. Wiped magtube off and it ran fine again.

    My credibility must suck ;)
     
  20. Yunus

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    Semi-auto's pump the gun for you, it's one less step to concern yourself with. I find I shoot more accurately on the second shot with a semi than a pump.