Proposed Virginia Gun Legislation

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by RayVa, Nov 26, 2019.

  1. RayVa

    RayVa New Member

    Michael Bloomberg’s bought and paid for Virginia legislators have wasted no time introducing legislation that would make the Old Dominion’s gun laws worse than those of the billionaire’s home state of New York.
    SB 16, introduced by Sen. Richard L. Saslaw, would create a total ban on commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms, like the AR-15. Even worse, the ban would even extend to common firearm parts. The restrictions included in the proposed legislation does not grandfather current owners. The legislation is clearly designed to be firearms confiscation, as current owners would be forced to dispossess themselves of their property or face a felony conviction.
    Saslaw’s legislation provides,
    It is unlawful for any person to import, sell, transfer, manufacture, purchase, possess, or transport an assault firearm.
    Otherwise law-abiding gun owners found in possession of an “assault firearm,” even one they purchased prior to the ban, could be convicted of a Class 6 felony. A Class 6 felony is punishable by up to 5 years imprisonment.
    The legislation lays out several criteria by which a firearm would be defined as an “assault firearm.” This includes,
    • A semi-automatic centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine with a capacity greater than 10 rounds.
    • A semi-automatic centerfire rifle with a detachable magazine that has one of the following characteristics:
    (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the rifle; (iii) a thumbhole stock; (iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (v) a bayonet mount; (vi) a grenade launcher; (vii) a flare launcher; (viii) a silencer; (ix) a flash suppressor; (x) a muzzle brake; (xi) a muzzle compensator; (xii) a threaded barrel… or (xiii) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (xii)
    • A semi-automatic centerfire pistol with a fixed magazine capacity greater than 10 rounds.
    • A semi-automatic centerfire pistol with a detachable magazine that has one of the following characteristics:
    (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a thumbhole stock; (iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iv) the capacity to accept a magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (v) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the pistol with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (vi) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; (vii) a threaded barrel… or (viii) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (vii);
    • A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
    • A semi-automatic shotgun with one of the following characteristics:
    (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a thumbhole stock, (iii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the shotgun, (iv) the ability to accept a detachable magazine, (v) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of seven rounds, or (vi) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (v).
    With this definition, SB 16 would outlaw America’s most popular rifle, the AR-15, along with countless other rifles, pistols, and shotguns that Virginians use for hunting, target shooting, and self-defense.
    A knowledgeable firearms owner will take a look at the ridiculous definition and realize that such ham-handed legislation must be born out of petty vindictiveness or a complete ignorance of firearm technology, as there is no logical public safety rationale.
    For example, the legislation is so broad that it would ban hunting guns like the Mossberg 935 Turkey shotgun for its “pistol grip.”

    The ban would prohibit the possession of guns like this Model SP-10 Magnum Thumbhole Camo due to its thumbhole stock.

    The ban would also capture guns such as this version of the Browning BAR Mark II Safari hunting rifle, as it has a detachable box magazine and a muzzle brake.

    Moreover, the “any characteristic of like kind” language that appears after each list of prohibited features introduces an unacceptable vagueness into the definition of what does or does not constitute an “assault firearm.” Law-abiding gun owners would be forced to prophesy just how a court might interpret those unclear provisions.
    As bad and senseless as the prohibition on certain firearms is, the proposed ban on firearm parts truly shows how Michael Bloomberg is cashing in on his political investment.
    The legislation provides,
    "Assault firearm" includes any part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert, modify, or otherwise alter a firearm into an assault firearm, or any combination of parts that may be readily assembled into an assault firearm.
    This passage would appear to make all of the firearm parts listed under the various feature tests in and of themselves “assault firearms” and therefore prohibited. As the individual part is treated as an “assault firearm,” possession of such a part would be punishable in the same manner as a prohibited firearm, as a Class 6 felony.
    Many firearms are modular. For instance, the same muzzle brake or flash suppressor could be used to turn a semi-automatic firearm into an “assault firearm” under the bill’s definition, or it could be used by a hunter or precision rifle shooter on their bolt-action rifle.
    In recent years the popularity of the AR-15 platform has led to the adoption of AR-15 parts in other types of firearms. An example of this trend is the Ruger Precision Rimfire rifle. The firearm is a bolt-action rimfire rifle that accepts an AR-15 pistol grip. As the pistol grip part is a prohibited feature on a semi-automatic rifle that can accept a detachable magazine and is designed for use on a prohibited AR-15, the mere grip itself could be banned under this legislation.

    SB 16 also bans the importation, sale, and transfer of standard capacity firearm magazines that are designed to hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. Many handguns commonly-owned by law-abiding citizens for concealed carry come standard with magazines that would be banned. Otherwise law-abiding gun owners who violate the magazine provision could be found guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. A Class 1 misdemeanor is punishable by up to a year in jail.
  2. kfox75

    kfox75 Well-Known Member Supporter

    NY's is still worse. Their ban also includes rimfire.
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  3. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

    Yep, fat cat Bloomberg spent big bucks on the VA election. Where were the Republican fat cats? The Republicans cared so much about the election in VA that 30 of the Democrats went unopposed.

    Yep, the Democrats control the VA legislature and governors office. But all is not doom and gloom. Democrats control the VA house 55-45 and the senate 21-19. If VA gunowners were organized, and they absolutely are not, enough Democrat legislators could be turned and that proposed gun control stuff defeated.
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  4. RJF22553

    RJF22553 Well-Known Member

    I'm living this nightmare!
  5. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

    Just another Idiot Democrat attempting to violate our Constitution and Second Amendment. Everyone in every State needs to get to the Poles and also share with all friends an others about their attack agenda. And bring the FIGHT to these anti-constitutional anti-American Democratic Socialist GOONS!
    Every gun owner and person in America should vote for whoever, to preserve our rights. Voting otherwise is a vote to attack our Second Amendment and other rights. YOUR GUN RIGHTS!;)

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  6. ellis36

    ellis36 Well-Known Member Supporter

    One State at a time! First thing we know........

  7. hairbear1

    hairbear1 Well-Known Member

    Wait till you get the "Appearance Laws" crap that we have here in Australia which I think is about to be repealed because it's so bloody stupid.
    If you have a rifle etc that "looks'' like a military styled rifle or "assault" gun then it's banned because of it's "looks" which means that if you have a bolt action rifle black in colour and with a " high powered sniper's scope" on it it can potentially be banned because it "looks' like a high powered military assault rifle and the media as usual do their scare the sheep job very well with words like "high powered sniper's scope military type rifle" that can kill out to a kilometre straight away scaring the handwringing, teeth gnashing sheep into a frenzy of anguish and grief.

    You boys are just starting to see the start of wanking of the highest order in order to save the world from itself while being seen to do nothing.
    As I've posted before your 2nd Amendment will stay but it will slowly get watered down by bits and pieces over a period of time in the long game unless you start getting very proactive and not leaving the dirty work to a few.
  8. bluez

    bluez Well-Known Member

    Its a crisis.
    I know a lot of deployed guys who have their gear stored in VA and who will be instant felons as soon as they take possession of it on their return.
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  9. bluez

    bluez Well-Known Member

    They may be evil.. but they are not stupid.. so they will avoid the bloodshed that large scale door-to-door confiscations will bring..

    But get ready for a firearms task force.. like the Drug Taskforce.
    That rolls up people caught via traffic stops ("oh nice mid cap magazine u have here.. there are 7 years jail time waiting for you.. unless..") and then uses them to infiltrate firearms hobbyists.
    Who then get to go to jail and/or turn informant themselves.
    This will accomplish multiple goals for the left:

    - Making people afraid to train so will be more helpless when the lefts tyranny becomes even more open..
    -making "enemy" voters felons so they cant vote.. - great win for the left
    - impoverishing gun owners via trials and legal fees: - Great win for the left now those guys cant afford to donate and some of the willing donations are now sucked up in legal defenses while the left can fight their legal battles out of the state coffers.. - win for the left
    -All these informants (and who would not turn informant when he can avoid jail for his family) will sow mistrust among gun activists which will make them ineffective - win for the left..
    -Place a wedge of deep hatred between gun owners and Police that was not there before..Police will fall victim to the "othering" trend this will engender..
    After the first couple cops shot dead by their victims it will turn into outright hatred of the "crazies and their Bill of Rights".. despite a "task force" approach this will still happen on occasion.. the left will LOVE it when the manpower of their potential opponents kills each other and gets drawn into hatred... they LOVE sowing division..
    And as a result many Gun owners will see police as oppressors that need killing for being collaborators with the left's treason. - All this division a huge win for the left

    All this is what gun control is designed to accomplish.. all along while some of "us" say.. but .. ", but,but he had an illegal magazine! Its the law.."

    also we need to get away from trying to argue that gun control laws not only fail to lower crime but actually increase. it.. these facts will not work on the lefts rank and file no matter how well documented.. They are inoculated not to listen to us.... the gun control "public safety" fables are for left's the rank and file and are not shared by the leadership anyway.

    Again they may be evil but they are not stupid.. so we need to understand that this battle is not about our hobby or even our rights.. it's about them shaping the battlefield so the they can destroy the precious little that is left of the republic. and turn it into a socialist nightmare....Like we see elsewhere in the world.
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  10. ellis36

    ellis36 Well-Known Member Supporter

    They are not wasting any time getting the ball rolling. Specific definitions are spelled out in the text of this article.


    FTA:"...Next year, Democrats will control both houses of Virginia’s state Legislature as well as its governorship. On November 18, State Sen. Dick Saslaw introduced a bill that he will sponsor in the 2020 legislative session. That bill will outlaw not only the sale or transfer but also the possession of certain firearms.

    Saslaw’s bill — SB 16 — provides that “It is unlawful for any person to import, sell, manufacture, purchase, possess or transport an assault firearm” and makes such actions a Class 6 felony. (In Virginia, Class 6 felonies are punishable by imprisonment for between one and five years.)

    SB 16 provides that a wide range of center-fire rifles, pistols, and shotguns are included in the definition of to-be illegal firearms...

    "...every rifle of the common AR-15 design and a great many pistols and shotguns in common use for personal defense, target shooting, and hunting would be banned.

    Not only would they be banned, but because SB 16 makes it illegal to possess such firearms, they also would have to be either surrendered to or seized by police authorities in the jurisdiction in which they are located....

    "...Again, SB 16 makes possession of “assault weapons” illegal outright, with no means for law-abiding citizens to retain their possession of such weapons in their homes, businesses, or in sporting avocations of hunting or target shooting...."
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  11. towboater

    towboater Well-Known Member

    WOW, Crazy. Liberals dont care how many innocent people are killed in their gun confiscation schemes.
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  12. hairbear1

    hairbear1 Well-Known Member

    So no offer of money for those guns surrendered it looks like.
    At least we got compensation for the guns taken off us in 1996 something that should be brought up as they're actually taking private property off owners who legally paid for those guns when they were legal............................state theft of property under the guise of saving lives even if it saves just 1 life bull****.
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  13. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

    Yep, Virginia gunowners knew this was a done deal if Democrats took the legislature. They sat on their duffs and waited for the RNC to rescue them. The rescue never came. Now Democrats in the VA legislature are outdoing each other in proposing draconian gun control.

    The best VA gunowners can do is whine and demand county commissioners declare their domains "sanctuary" counties. This tactic will backfire, alienating voters who have not taken a stance on gun control.
  14. Rifling82

    Rifling82 Well-Known Member Supporter

    So Al..... You're bad mouthing the Republicans? The party that supports your right to bear arms?
  15. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

    I wager maybe 1/3 of R office holders actually support gun owners.

    The middle portion are just Fudds.

    The last least 1/3 of R office holders are died in the wool closet gungrabbers.
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  16. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

    Mostly i'm bad mouthing VA gun owners who refused to get organized.

    BTW: Republicans controlled both houses of the US congress and the white house for many years.

    In the runup to elections those Republicans talked a good line of trash, claiming to support gunowners. Once in control they did nothing. Those Republicans could have rolled back the some of the more onerous portions of the GCA 1968 but steadfastly refused to do so.
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  17. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

    This just popped up on radar, bill's from earlier this year being pushed in the Virginia House and similar bill in the Senate:

    ( -- A bill being pushed by Democrats in the Virginia legislature would make it a Class 1 misdemeanor to carry, buy, sell, import or transfer firearm magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. House Delegate Kathy Tran (D-Va.) is the primary sponsor of the legislation, and she also supports a ban on semi-automatic rifles, such as the AR-15.

    The bill, HB2492, would prohibit a person from carrying a gun with a magazine that could hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition in a public space in Virginia; a similar bill has been introduced in the Virginia Senate (SB1748). According to the House bill, the only exception to this rule would be for firearms used by law enforcement officers.
  18. MisterMills

    MisterMills Well-Known Member

    Are there parrots that fly around and express their minds to dimwits?
    Polly wanna hi cap ban! Polly wanna AR-15 ban! Polly wanna commonsense gun control.

    It is the same tune, all over America. They are reading a script or sending Word docs to each other. Or there are flocks of bird brain parrots, carrying the message.
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  19. ellis36

    ellis36 Well-Known Member Supporter

    Imagine what's proposed in Virginia on a national scale. This is pretty much what to expect for the country if Democrats win the WH in 2020.

    It makes no difference who might be elected Democrat POTUS, it will be balls-to-the-wall on all these liberal wish-lists and weapons ban will be top of the list. 2nd Amendment be damned. Freedom of speech be damned. Bill of Rights be damned. On and on.

  20. RJF22553

    RJF22553 Well-Known Member

    I'm still living this nightmare. My county is likely to join the 2A Sanctuary movement, but that doesn't stop the State Police; just county resources to enforce.

    The proposed bills makes three of my firearms illegal as written, with possession being a class-6 felony. Unlikely this bill will pass as written, but one can't discount it.

    So at least three of my presently legal firearms will need to go to my heir prematurely. Not a huge problem, but sooner than I had planned. Have ordered a "compliant" neutered replacement that should come in this week that has the same capability of my forbidden guns but without the evil "features" (flash hider, bayo lug). And will likely exchange my CX4 with a Ruger PC carbine. Same functionality, but without that evil feature of a thumb-hole stock.

    In the end, for a fully-compliant citizen of this now commie state, I'll have the same firepower, but will wind up adding two more guns to my "arsenal" while sending others to my heir prematurely.

    Unless I have a boating accident...
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