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IMO: then the Biden Administration or others can access INTERPOl for who owns what firearms, in the US for...Confiscation.
This is how Canadian BorderAgents know you own firearms?
 

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Thats why you never buy from an ffl or fill out anything . Cash carry and forgotten
I just quit caring about anyone taking away my guns. "They" aren't going to do it because they don't know where they are and neither do I. I have too many as it is (did I say that?) but am not selling under current conditions. I may talk about it but I will not worry about it. Worry kills.
 

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IMO: then the Biden Administration or others can access INTERPOl for who owns what firearms, in the US for...Confiscation.
This is how Canadian BorderAgents know you own firearms?
So? You do realize that, if you own a car, own a home, hold a Driver's License, vote, hold a bank account, have a CHL, a hunting or fishing license, own a dog,have a legal income, and a slew of other things, you are already on several lists, most of which Interpol has access to, right? Same with paying for something at certain sitres with a bank or credit card.

Say you just spent $1,200 at Cabelas, using the bank card. You drive there, and got gas with the same card, and you have a state issued CC license.

Do you really think they don't know you bought a gun there, even if it's black powder? Or a bow, if you hold an archery license, as part of your annual hunting license? They may not have make, model, and SN, but it ain't hard to figure out why you were likely there, especially in the age of smart phones and social media.

Pretty sure you could add FB groups and forums to that list as well.

Now, here's the problem with the theory you posted up there. With very few exceptions, those forms never leave the shop, and the information on them, as to what's been bought, never goes to the FBI. The forms only go to the ATF if the store closes less than 20 years, after the form was filled out. And at that point, the store can legally shred or burn them, no legal obligation to keep them, or trn them in, so all they know is that you asked for permission to buy a firearm, and your stats, as they never say handgun, long gun, or other, on those calls.

If that is included, and on record, it is at the state level, such as the NYSP for handguns in NY, or registered "AW"s there, and handguns here in PA, as they, or the county, get a copy of the form you fill out. Only way the feds have it, as part of the check is if it's an NFA weapon.

Personally, I have no issue with them knowing I'm armed, they should know that, IMHO, because it acts as a reminder to them that they might have to face down several million armed citizens, should they step out of line. It might have been the only thing, so far, tht has kept them from doing something they shouldn't, in the last few decades, againt the population at large, who are well armed.

Because even without several requests on record, common snese dictates, if a man owns one gun, odds are there are at least a few more there as well.Especially when you hold a CHL, a hunting license, and in my state, and handgun hunting license, along with small and big game, two turkey tags, two regular deer and bear tags, a flintlock hunting license, and a black powder one, on top of that archery one. Same check would also point out having lived under a Marine's roof for 16 years, who has a CC license in NY, as did his first wife, daughter of a state trooper, and his second wife.

So, if Interpol wants to know, they already do, even if the FBI didn't send them the information.

The smart ones would see all that data, and catch on that you are likely, "NTBFW."
 

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I had a retirement gig at a FFL for a bit.

One interesting thing that I discovered was that the local municipality required a form to be completed and forwarded to their police department but only on multiple gun purchases. One purchase, no form required. But if you bought two pistols at the same time...required. Huh.

During my tenure I never sold two at once so I never had to use the form. It does make you wonder though.
 

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Personally, I have no issue with them knowing I'm armed, they should know that, IMHO, because it acts as a reminder to them that they might have to face down several million armed citizens, should they step out of line. It might have been the only thing, so far, tht has kept them from doing something they shouldn't, in the last few decades, againt the population at large, who are well armed

I am sure that the Federal government, the FBI, and the BATFE and the Federal Marshalls have trouble sleeping at night knowing that you have guns in your home.
 

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I had a retirement gig at a FFL for a bit.

One interesting thing that I discovered was that the local municipality required a form to be completed and forwarded to their police department but only on multiple gun purchases. One purchase, no form required. But if you bought two pistols at the same time...required. Huh.

During my tenure I never sold two at once so I never had to use the form. It does make you wonder though.
That form is federal actually, and only applies ti multiple handgun purchases in a one week period. One copy stays with the forms at the FFL, one goes to the CLEA in your area, like the city PD or CSD, one to the state LE agency, one to the feds.

Only filled in my information on a few of them over the last 24 years, as I usually bought one handgun at a time.

They also, according to one shop that limits you to one per week, to not have to fill them out, have to be in the mail by close of business that day. He won't do it, bevause he doesn't want to do extra forms, and have to rush to the post office.

And yes, under law, if you buy two or more, and multiple shops, you are required to inform the FFL, so they can fill out the form, with the information from other sales.

I've put my information on 3 myself, and had 12 filed in that time, on a total of 15 handguns. Way I see it is this.

They get stolen, or end up missing, at least they have the make, model, and SN on record, which makes it more likely I'll get them back.

I am sure that the Federal government, the FBI, and the BATFE and the Federal Marshalls have trouble sleeping at night knowing that you have guns in your home.
I fully agree. The "You" on my last statement is plural, when we really get down to brass tacks.

And I sleep perfectly well knowing that they know. Pretty sure most gun owners do.

But how smart would it be, if there are 200,000 of you, to pick a fight with a potential response, from well north of 100,000,000? Even if 1% say hell no, and fight back, you are still highly outnumbered.

Seem to have missed my main point, more for Tin though.

The simple fact that, they surely already KNOW we are armed, even without having copies of our 4473s. Or our o3 FFLs in certain cases, because of other records.

After all, if someone holds a CHL and a hunting license, that's a pretty big clue.
 

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I had a retirement gig at a FFL for a bit.

One interesting thing that I discovered was that the local municipality required a form to be completed and forwarded to their police department but only on multiple gun purchases. One purchase, no form required. But if you bought two pistols at the same time...required. Huh.

During my tenure I never sold two at once so I never had to use the form. It does make you wonder though.

I did receive two guns from my FFL, at the same time, about two weeks ago. He informed me that he had to notify the local police dept. and showed me the form. I didn't know about that, but It didn't bother me a bit. Since I had a C&R license, have a concealed weapons permit it wouldn't take a Dick Tracy to figure out that there was a good possibility that I may have firearms..... I participate on gun forums that are monitored by the government for illegal activities, I buy guns and ammo online and I walk around with a lump on my hip. Hell, I am even on Sportsman's Guide's, Sarco, Numrich, J&G Sales, and Bud's and a lot more gun related mailing lists. (so they know too) I also shoot several hundred round a week in my back yard. Since I am a squeaky clean old man, I doubt the local cops really give a rat's azz, they are busy dealing with criminals. I have an agreement with the Feds; I abide by their policies and they leave me alone.....

I live in a rural area, I had a deputy out a couple of months ago reporting vandals destroying my mailbox. We had a long chat, he told me that he was suspicious of anyone who who lived in the area that didn't own guns.

Any hope of having any kind of privacy in our world is nuts. It may have been possible when I was a kid, but not any more. Computers remember everything you have ever bought, said or done. They not only know about that gun your bought, they know about that Viagra you bought right before the company picnic. ;) I have come to terms with it. Furthermore, to participate on a gun forum and have a fantasy that every word you have ever typed is not sitting in a computer memory, waiting to come back and bite you in the azz, borders on insanity. Being paranoid about being under constant scrutiny doesn't change a thing. Big Brother is like Santa, he knows if you are sleeping, he knows when you're awake, he knows when you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake.
 
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kfox, I doubt they follow any rules or logic in Chicago. Look how many kids they kill amongst the rest of the people. They (the trigger pullers, DA, mayor, Governor, and everyone but the cops, who probably would just like some support, are complicit in the innocent deaths. I don't know how THEY sleep at night. Probably with a double dose of sleeping pills. No, after a quick thought, they probably sleep better than I do because they don't care about anyone but themselves and steal enough money to live better than me. That's being cynical but does anyone really think otherwise? Any one or all of those named are in positions to stop the savagery. I'm just glad "those people" live a long way from me.
 

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I did receive two guns from my FFL, at the same time, about two weeks ago. He informed me that he had to notify the local police dept. and showed me the form. I didn't know about that, but It didn't bother me a bit. Since I had a C&R license, have a concealed weapons permit it wouldn't take a Dick Tracy to figure out that there was a good possibility that I may have firearms..... I participate on gun forums that are monitored by the government for illegal activities, I buy guns and ammo online and I walk around with a lump on my hip. Hell, I am even on Sportsman's Guide's, Sarco, Numrich, J&G Sales, and Bud's and a lot more gun related mailing lists. (so they know too) I also shoot several hundred round a week in my back yard. Since I am a squeaky clean old man, I doubt the local cops really give a rat's azz, they are busy dealing with criminals. I have an agreement with the Feds; I abide by their policies and they leave me alone.....

I live in a rural area, I had a deputy out a couple of months ago reporting vandals destroying my mailbox. We had a long chat, he told me that he was suspicious of anyone who who lived in the area that didn't own guns.

Any hope of having any kind of privacy in our world is nuts. It may have been possible when I was a kid, but not any more. Computers remember everything you have ever bought, said or done. They not only know about that gun your bought, they know about that Viagra you bought right before the company picnic. ;) I have come to terms with it. Furthermore, to participate on a gun forum and have a fantasy that every word you have ever typed is not sitting in a computer memory, waiting to come back and bite you in the azz, borders on insanity. Being paranoid about being under constant scrutiny doesn't change a thing. Big Brother is like Santa, he knows if you are sleeping, he knows when you're awake, he knows when you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake.
I just stopped by Walgreens and bought some vitamins and then went to buy some Shell gas. I bet they know because I had a gun in the car with me and one on me......as if I care. It's safe to say many people here have one in their cars or on their body or both too.

I watched a utube last night and the most stringent gun laws were in Honduras (yes) with the highest murder rate in the world and Switzerland requires citizens to own a gun with, you guessed it, the lowest murder rate in the world. The USA was the easiest place to obtain and own a gun, as a country. Forgot who made that utube but he ended with a statement that the USA is not going to change as far as it's gun situation. I'd check that box too. I just ordered a T-Shirt from Colion. He's kind of mouthy but I like the guy. I also like T-shirts. They're good for concealed carry. Colion's shirt may be a clue though. I just don't care. Have a safe day.

Just because I'm a curious person, I would like to know some data on where all that ammo is really going. Would like to see some charts on that. I'm finished buying but am still thinking about reloading just because there's something about shooting your own manufactured ammo.
 

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kfox, I doubt they follow any rules or logic in Chicago. Look how many kids they kill amongst the rest of the people. They (the trigger pullers, DA, mayor, Governor, and everyone but the cops, who probably would just like some support, are complicit in the innocent deaths. I don't know how THEY sleep at night. Probably with a double dose of sleeping pills. No, after a quick thought, they probably sleep better than I do because they don't care about anyone but themselves and steal enough money to live better than me. That's being cynical but does anyone really think otherwise? Any one or all of those named are in positions to stop the savagery. I'm just glad "those people" live a long way from me.
Everyone has rules they follow, even if the main one is, never let a tragedy go to waste.Same with if the rules match, or run counter to the law.

That goes in a gang, on the street, in lockup, passing a blunt at a friend's place, or sitting in a Hell's Angels club house, as well as on a ride with them. That goes for Brother, Old Lady, Prosect, Hang Around, Friend of the Club, or "brother" clubs.

And everyone has their price.

Doesn't have much to do with the Op though.

But to answer it, they do have rules, and they do follow "Logic", and "Common Sense", designed with a leftist slant, to disarm the perceived enemy, the LAC, because criminals don't get CHLs, or FOID cards, making it harder to remover their arms, because they don't obey laws. And the guy selling that stolen .38, ain't filling out a form, or asking for ID.
 

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So, what's your price? I've done it for next to nothing once upon a time. You're right, there were rules. Sometimes they were pretty harsh on...the other people. They weren't called "people". Had to fill out a lot of forms too.
 

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So, what's your price? I've done it for next to nothing once upon a time. You're right, there were rules. Sometimes they were pretty harsh on...the other people. They weren't called "people". Had to fill out a lot of forms too.
Lol. More than anyone has offered so far.
 

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Personally ive reached the point now that i dont worry about gun grabbers.
Oh i write my reps etc still.
But i dont fret anymore about who thinks they know the weapons i own.

I live in a nation ran by an imbicile and a mattress.
Ive no doubt whoever is running the puppet will make the attempt, under guise of some law or just dictorial arrogance, that we have expected for decades .
Trick is it cant be done and have a nation to govern after the effort.
Sure as a few here think theyll start out getting individuals. Randy Weaver was an individual. He lost the battle and most of his family to traitiors but he won his war with those traitors.

Im one man. If they come they come. No way to sneak up on my house without my knowing. No way to get close enough to throw in flash bangs and play ninja.
We"ll have a long loud discussion . Thatll be heard by neighbors, friends etc that wont let it become an isolated incident hidden by cutting off communication.
Alone , itll be loud messy , some traitors will be hurt, and ive no illusion that in the end of no help comes, ill loose.
But ill die on my feet with my birthright intact instead of like a sniviling subject.
And the traitorous scum who came for my right will have to explain to state senators, House members and some of the maddest hillbillys this side of the Hatfields and McCoys why a massive stand off then murder of a man with no record, ex LEO , cofounder of a non profit local childrens charity and regular attendee at hid church was attacked by gov forces for obeying the law of the land.

Their biggest problem in fly over country is its filled with folks just like me who wont bow, have lost everything they ever cared about, know how to fight back , and dont really give a damn win lose or draw.

Thats what the traitors at the ATF , etc will have to deal with plus the public outcry they faced at Ruby Ridge, Waco , Bundy ranch , and Burns OR. Times 100.
 

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Personally ive reached the point now that i dont worry about gun grabbers.
Oh i write my reps etc still.
But i dont fret anymore about who thinks they know the weapons i own.

I live in a nation ran by an imbicile and a mattress.
Ive no doubt whoever is running the puppet will make the attempt, under guise of some law or just dictorial arrogance, that we have expected for decades .
Trick is it cant be done and have a nation to govern after the effort.
Sure as a few here think theyll start out getting individuals. Randy Weaver was an individual. He lost the battle and most of his family to traitiors but he won his war with those traitors.

Im one man. If they come they come. No way to sneak up on my house without my knowing. No way to get close enough to throw in flash bangs and play ninja.
We"ll have a long loud discussion . Thatll be heard by neighbors, friends etc that wont let it become an isolated incident hidden by cutting off communication.
Alone , itll be loud messy , some traitors will be hurt, and ive no illusion that in the end of no help comes, ill loose.
But ill die on my feet with my birthright intact instead of like a sniviling subject.
And the traitorous scum who came for my right will have to explain to state senators, House members and some of the maddest hillbillys this side of the Hatfields and McCoys why a massive stand off then murder of a man with no record, ex LEO , cofounder of a non profit local childrens charity and regular attendee at hid church was attacked by gov forces for obeying the law of the land.

Their biggest problem in fly over country is its filled with folks just like me who wont bow, have lost everything they ever cared about, know how to fight back , and dont really give a damn win lose or draw.

Thats what the traitors at the ATF , etc will have to deal with plus the public outcry they faced at Ruby Ridge, Waco , Bundy ranch , and Burns OR. Times 100.
Your story times countless others is why it won't happen. Just not worth it. The demorats are doing all the right things to get kicked out. The 'publicans need to take lessons from them on teamwork though. They are very aware of how many guns and how much ammo has been bought lately. Joe isn't lucid enough to know what that means.
 

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Your story times countless others is why it won't happen. Just not worth it. The demorats are doing all the right things to get kicked out. The 'publicans need to take lessons from them on teamwork though. They are very aware of how many guns and how much ammo has been bought lately. Joe isn't lucid enough to know what that means.
Actually, what they all need to do is stop working for them and their parties, and start working for the people who put them in those offices, and the country they are citizens of, but that's a subject for a different thread, in a different subforum.

Too many are Republican or Democrat first, American second.
 
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