Problems Shooting Single Rounds Outta my M1903?

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by Trez, Mar 26, 2012.

  1. Trez

    Trez Well-Known Member

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    For some reason whenever I try to shoot single rounds out of my M1903, it seems extremely difficult... The bolt wont close completely, Feels like the extractor wont go over the cartridge rim. Why would this be? I thought the '03 was designed to be able to shoot single rounds with a full magazine, isnt that the whole reason for the cut-off switch?

    Ive even tried to get a little "firm" with it but im afraid to try too hard and break the extractor... When I shoot rounds from the magazine, it works flawlessly.. :confused:
     
  2. TheOldMan

    TheOldMan New Member

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    I'll try mine and see if I get the same problem... I would think you'd not have an issue chambering a single round without using the magazine though or at least shouldn't...:confused:
     

  3. The_Kid

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    I just tried mine with 5 in the mag; the 6th cartridge chambered wonderfully.

    Try it without cartridges in the magazine.
    Try it chambering a different cartridge.
     
  4. Trez

    Trez Well-Known Member

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    Ive tried with all the ammo I had... Military rounds from 1933, 1943, 1945, 1969, Military match from 1962 (it almost worked..), Greek military from 1977, and commercial rounds.... none worked, nor did it make a difference if the mag was full or not... Like I said, they feed perfectly from the mag, but the extractor wont go over the rim when laying a loose round in the action..

    So, if all yours do why wont mine? What would cause this?? :confused::mad:

    I really like the idea of be able to feed single rounds at a time and keep a full mag until its "needed"
     
  5. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    Maybe during your rifles lifetime it had its extractor replaced.
     
  6. Trez

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    Im sure it has, its been arsenal refurbished at least once..
    But why would that cause it not to feed single rounds? I thought ALL '03's could? Arent all 1903 extractors the same?
     
  7. BillM

    BillM Active Member Supporter

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    Are you dropping a round in the chamber and trying to close the bolt??

    DON'T!

    The mauser type actions---1903, Arisaka and others---are "controlled
    feed". If you want to do a single shot, push the round down into the
    magazine and let it feed up the bolt face and behind the extractor hook.

    You can bevel the extractor so it will snap over a chambered round, but
    a ummodified stock extractor will have a difficult time doing it.

    Yes--I know this kind of goes against the reason for a magazine cutoff.
    I don't have a good explanation!:)
     
  8. Trez

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    That sucks :(

    I just like to try all the features out on my mil-surps...

    Ive been thinking lately I wanna try out the A-A sights on my Type 99...
    I wonder if they make .30 shot capsules? So I can go skeet shooting with it... :D
     
  9. The_Kid

    The_Kid New Member

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    Here is my bolt face.
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    Yours doesn't look like that?
     
  10. jpattersonnh

    jpattersonnh Active Member

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    Yours has been ground!
     
  11. The_Kid

    The_Kid New Member

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    Thanks! I learn something new every day.
     
  12. Trez

    Trez Well-Known Member

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    Heres mine?
     

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  13. The_Kid

    The_Kid New Member

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    I don't see the difference.

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    Is the grinding done where the cartridge contacts the extractor? Because they both look the same to me... mine may be a bit more worn.
     
  14. xring3

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    I've always liked "l'll show you mine if you'll show me yours"........just kidding!!!!
     
  15. The_Kid

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    I looked a little more into this issue and have found the Springfield extractor to have a bevel.
    On page one of this thread a person asserts the Mauser bevel condition and later on page 2 confirms that is not the case.

    On page 6 it shows mechanical drawings of the extractor with the bevel.

    A later poster of that thread, was using an extractor that wasn't to specification, he later noticed his extractor didn't have a hole in it like shown in the drawings, as is with mine.
    I would look into the notion that your extractor isn't according to specs.

    On a side note: Reading that thread; I found out that my magazine follower is for a 1917... I think. It looks exactly like the one in my M1917 Eddystone.
     
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2012
  16. The_Kid

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    I actually do see a difference now. The edge of the extractor that initially contacts the cartridge is a bit shorter; it may be due to wear. My US Model of 1917 Eddystone's extractor is even more pronounced than that one; it looks much like snipertomt's extractor on page 4.