Problem with new STI Escort

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by Brad_CCW, Dec 3, 2013.

  1. Brad_CCW

    Brad_CCW New Member

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    First off I have to say this is a great looking gun and the weight is great for concealed carry. But if it doesn't shoot, what good is it.

    I shot some reloads through it and noticed every other round or so wasn't going fully into the chamber. When they did go all the way in a lot of them wouldn't extract. If I dropped the slide on the empty casing I couldn't pull back on the slide hard enough to extract the casing. I had to insert a cleaning rod in the barrel and tap on it to push out the casing. Thinking the reloads were the problem I shot some factory ammo and got the same result.

    I couldn't see anything in the barrel after dissassembly, but after a good cleaning I noticed the rounds would drop easily into the barrel. After reassembling, I tried to chamber a few rounds and they still did not want to seat fully without a little push on the back of the slide. No I'm not riding the slide forward but I did notice the first 1/2" or so is very light when pulling the slide back. I'm thinking the springs are not strong enough.

    I tried to shoot the gun again with only factory ammo and still the slide would not travel the last 1/8" most of the time without a little help. The extraction problem didn't show up again so maybe there was something in the barrel hanging onto the casings.

    I'm going to contact STI but I'd like to hear any thoughts on this.
     
  2. Olympus

    Olympus New Member

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    The compact 1911s are more prone to malfunctions like that. It's probably best to get an expert diagnosis from the manufacturer first.
     

  3. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    Were the reloads lead or fmj? What you are describing could be a problem with the reloads causing the lead to get scraped by the case during the seating process. Then the lead could be deposited into the chamber. You would then have an issue with factory ammo if the lead were not properly removed from the chamber.
     
  4. Brad_CCW

    Brad_CCW New Member

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    Reloads were FMJ. Like I said, the bullets drop right in the barrel if I remove the barrel. They seat flush with the little lip that sticks out from the top of the chamber. And when assembled the slide only takes a light push to finish chambering the round. Maybe 40% seat fully. I noticed as soon as I held the gun the first time that the slide is very easy to pull back that first 1/2". Seems like a 3" would have stiffer springs than my 5" Kimber.
     
  5. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe it is a recoil spring then. Stranger things have happened. Will it go into battery easily when it is empty?
     
  6. Brad_CCW

    Brad_CCW New Member

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    Ya, but it has the momentum of the slide when empty. I think as the bullet starts to enter the chamber it's slowing down the slide enough that the light spring can't finish the job. I would say it's acting like the spring is too short. I'm hoping I can just get STI to send me the spring or recoil assembly.
     
  7. NotMormon

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    STI is a stand up company. What caliber do you have? It could be the wrong spring was installed, the extractor needs to be tuned or both. STI will probably want you to send the pistol back though. It sucks but, STI likely will want to examine it themselves so that the gun runs perfectly for you.

    And you aint puttin 10mm in a 40 are ya;)
     
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2013
  8. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    How does it shoot with factory loads?

    I had the same problem with some reloads and found that the collar slipped on the reloading dies.
     
  9. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    I would contact STI and see what they recommend.

    It is possible that the spring is bad, or your extractor needs to be tuned.

    Reading your original post I will add the recommendation that you not drop a 1911 slide on a chambered round. The 1911 extractor is not super tolerant of repetitively doing this. Extractor tension is adjusted by bending the extractor slightly, and having the nose of the extractor striking the back of cases and snapping over the rim can adversely effect the tension adjustment. The extractor is designed to have the rim of the shell feed up under the hook during the feeding process.
     
  10. Brad_CCW

    Brad_CCW New Member

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    I'm gonna contact STI as soon as I get back in town, and probably ship the gun to them. I'll let you guys know what they say.
     
  11. crockett007

    crockett007 New Member

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    The STI chamber is cut to match dimensions. That is why Factory will feed and reloads are finicky. Adjust the resizing die and the crimp die and see if you can get once fired reload brass to spec....OR ream the chamber .002 and it will feed home made like a champ.

    TIP: Remove the firing pin from the pistol and reassemble. While adjusting your dies, dry cycle your reloads until you get full in battery reliable rounds. Lock that set up in and you should be good.
     
  12. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    question. how many rounds have you fired through it?

    did you purchase it new or used?

    if you are having the same problem with factory ammo a you said, my suggestion would be to contact STI and see what they recommend. i have hears good reports about their products and their service.
     
  13. Brad_CCW

    Brad_CCW New Member

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    I mentioned in original post that I have tried factory ammo with the same results. I know they make good products. Guess I just got a bad one. I'm sure they'll fix it. It was new. I've fired less than 200 rounds through it.
     
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  14. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i would hardly think the springs were wore out after only 200 rounds. having the same problem with factory ammo could rule out it being a problem with reloaded ammo, more than likely.

    i don't think it so much a bad one, as one that needs some minor tweaking or adjustments. IMO, it sounds like the chamber might be a bit on the tight side.
     
  15. Brad_CCW

    Brad_CCW New Member

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    Again, I have mentioned in previous posts that the spring felt light before I ever fired it, and that if I remove the barrel, the rounds drop right into the chamber without any resistance. Thank you for trying to help but read the whole thread first.
     
  16. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i did read that. it still could have a tight chamber. i had one 1911 many years ago that had a tight chamber. with the barrel out of the pistol, ammo would drop into the barrel. but with it together it would have the same problem yours is having. that's why i suggest the problem might be a tight chamber.
     
  17. Brad_CCW

    Brad_CCW New Member

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    Doesn't make sense, but I guess that doesn't mean it's not true. :)
     
  18. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    ammo is at a slight angle sitting in the magazine. when the slide picks it up from the magazine, it is forced up the feed ramp at angle and into the chamber.

    with the barrel out of the slide and dropping the ammo straight into the chamber, it has no where near the same resistance as it does when mounted in the slide.

    i am not saying this is your problem, but one i experianced many years ago with one of my 1911's. had the chamber polished and the feed ramp angle adjusted by a gunsmith friend of mine. after that it worked fine.

    others have suggested possible reasons as to why the problem may be occuring.
     
  19. GLI45

    GLI45 New Member

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    I think you will find STI will make it right. Their customer service has a sterling reputation. The fact that their pistols come with a lifetime warranty speaks to their commitment to their products and customers. I own quite a few of their pistols and they've never disappointed me. If the problem is the pistol they will make it right. I don't now anything about your ammo, but I've got an Escort and shoot remanufactured ammo from Atlanta Arms and Freedom Munitions with no problems.
     
  20. Brad_CCW

    Brad_CCW New Member

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    I'm sure they'll fix it. I'll let you guys know the verdict when I get it back.