Private sale procedure for FFL's

Discussion in 'NFA/Class 3 & FFL Discussion' started by FFL01user, Mar 16, 2013.

  1. FFL01user

    FFL01user New Member

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    As of 3/15 here in NY private sales of firearms are no longer allowed. All private sales must now be facilitated by an FFL. Due to some mandates by NY, there have been many questions as to the procedure. We now have the answers. The ATF has changed the procedure which effects private sales done by FFL's nationwide. The ATF open letter on private sales can be found at the following link. The new procedure can be found by following the link in the newly added notation at the top of the page.
    http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/procedures/031513-open-letter-atf-procedure-2013-1.pdf
    If anyone is interested, the new NY regulations on private transfers can be found at http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/private-sale
    NY has mandated that FFL's can charge no more than $10 to facilitate a private transfer. I don't know of an FFL that'll do a transfer for $10. This one won't be doing them. This effectively ends all private transfers in NY. Hopefully, this won't be coming to a state near you anytime soon but all should remain vigilant!
     
  2. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    I don't like the new requirements either but sounds to me like you are playing right into the state's hands by refusing to do the transfers. Am I missing something or is watching someone fill out some forms worth more than the $10 you can charge? It's your business and your decision but if you were to tell me that you refuse to facilitate a private transfer because the fees aren't high enough, I wouldn't buy so much as a box of .22lr from you in the future. JMHO.
     
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  3. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Active Member

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    I concur, :mad:
     
  4. FFL01user

    FFL01user New Member

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    That's easy for you to say when you have no liability forever riding on the transfer. I don't think you'll find an FFL anywhere in the country that's doing transfers for $10. Add in the NY state reporting requirements, just in time alone it's not worth $10. I, nor any other NY FFL that I know of, is going to be someones transfer bitch for $10 just so we can say "take that Cuomo".
     
  5. bluez

    bluez Well-Known Member

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    Putting on a mandatory cap of $10 dollars for a transfer is obviously a provision the governor added in bad faith to make private transfers practically impossible.
     
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  6. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    The referenced letter is date stamped "Jan 16 2013", and they were putting a policy in place before a committee recommendation in March?

    How many other things have they foreseen?
     
  7. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Active Member

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    I agree the free market should set the rate that is charged. My preferred LGS charges $20 for a long gun or an "other", $30 for a handgun. The handgun costs more because the State of WI runs a state BG check and charges a fee for it. No WI state fee on transfers that do not involve a handgun.

    However, I would support my transferring dealer with ammo, accessory and even gun purchases in the scenario originally described.
     
  8. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    Oh boohoo you have to do the same thing that I've had to do all along. Quit yer b!tching, you are now guaranteed to make more money. You have no more liability on a transfer than you do on a sale. Oh gosh you have to do 10 minutes of work for $10. If you have an issue with the $10 transfer fee charge a booking fee. Problem solved.
     
  9. Missouribound

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    Although I do believe that this is something put in place to deter gun sales it just may open a new business opportunity for homespun FFL's those who don't really want to sell guns but are willing to pose as the "official" transfer station for two private sellers. No overhead, possibly a booth at local gun shows. When one door closes another one opens. Personally I do not believe that it's a law that can be enforced or very likely to be followed. I'm buying a gun for my wife, think I will go and have it transfered?
     
  10. FFL01user

    FFL01user New Member

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    The ATF open letter dated 1/16/13 was nothing new. It's the addendum dated 3/15/13 that is new.
     
  11. FFL01user

    FFL01user New Member

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    Guaranteed to make more money? I doubt that. I don't se how doing transfers for almost 1/3rd the price will bring in more money. And it's a bit more than 10 minutes to complete a transfer, especially when you add in NY's paperwork requirements. And you're right, the liability is the same whether it's a sale or a transfer. But be assured that on a sale an FFL makes more than $10 which makes that liability a bit more palatable.
     
  12. FFL01user

    FFL01user New Member

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    You wouldn't have to as she's immediate family.
     
  13. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    I know all about the paperwork. We have to do both state and federal in ma. The per transfer fee may be cut but the amount of transfers will increase. Yes, you make more on a sale than a transfer but there is a lot more time and money invested in a sale as well as potential customer based problems such as returns and mechanical issues. I'm not saying that the government limiting the fee is right, I'm jut saying you're making it a bigger deal than it is. Your aggravation with the situation is understandable but your way of dealing with it is..unprofessional at best. Your first post turned away potential customers. Look to the bright side, you will have more transfers.
     
  14. FFL01user

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    Every FFL in the state is dealing with it unprofessionally at best. I reallly don't care about turning away potential customers. I've only heard of one FFL to date that is willing to do transfers for $10. Three times the paperwork and all the liabilility for the same return, no thanks.
     
  15. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    Your loss. Perhaps you're in the wrong state or wrong business.
     
  16. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Well, what about the fact that when the transfer happens, that guy might buy some ammo, or another mag, or whatever? And if you're a nice guy, he might become a regular customer and buy everything from you? The more people in your shop, the better, particularly ones who are actually there to do business, not just tire kick.
    Around here, on LGS charges $25 to transfer, another charges up to $60. Where do you think I go?
     
  17. FFL01user

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    Wrong state by far. I've my regular customers because they know they get the best service that can be had with attention to their needs. I'm sure you and the rest of the FFL's in your state will be full of glee if/when you get hit with the same mandates (which I hope doesn't happen).
     
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  19. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Mmmm, I don't think that sort of silliness is coming to NH (courtesy of the state, anyway) any time soon. Sounds like you need a new job, for several reasons.....
     
  20. twhessler

    twhessler New Member

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    FFL
    As a Ny resident I would avoid you and anyone else with that attitude. So now if I basically can't transferr a gun. Cuomo wins !