primary weapon

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by red ryder, Jan 20, 2010.

  1. red ryder

    red ryder New Member

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    Assuming there was a SHTF situation, we can all plan for a lightweight gun..first aid, supplies for 3 days, i can hike to my uncles 70miles away.....yada yada


    not to say that this isn't important, but home many average americans are fit enough to haul those supplies, on their back, for an extended period of time?

    even possibly running or avoiding areas if need be?

    i've always thought there is no point in planning for a situation if you don't have the ability to carry out your plan?

    so what does everyone do to stay in shape?


    I'm a pretty avid tri-athlete. Ride my bike to work everyday (approx 20 miles/day) run 2-3 times a week, and lift weights 2-3 times a week.

    currently at 6' about 195lbs (fightin weight), sometimes i'll get down to 185 before a big race or up to 205 over the winter....
     
  2. Wings-ofthe-Luftwaffe

    Wings-ofthe-Luftwaffe New Member

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    all to true. next time you go hiking through the woods on a leisurely stroll, throw that pack on ur back and see how well you do... just try for 1 mile.. 2 if your feeling frisky. It's not that easy. Moral of the story - keep your pack under 60-80 pounds - cut out those unimportant items - bring in more multi-function tools - get 1 or 2 of ex item in top notch quality instead of 5-10 of questionable quality - etc.

    I much prefer to bug in , which shouldnt be a far fetched idea for the area i live in, and im actually looking to move out further into the boonies and buy a bigger piece of land ASAP and turning it into a self sufficiency/protected compound
     

  3. IGETEVEN

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    My primary weapon is my mind, secondary my body and at last resort and if needed, a carried firearm. Here are some past threads that may help answer your question.

    Please keep in mind, everybody will have their own ways of keeping in shape and they will vary with one's own personal health, personal self-discipline, past and present personal training and age.

    http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f55/fitness-firearms-19445/

    http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f55/tactical-krav-maga-training-21740/


    Jack
     
  4. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Like some others, I am already where I plan to be going. I have a few years (decades) of some of you. How do I stay in shape? Firewood (12 lb splitting maul) gardening, landscaping, hiking- and yeah, I DO carry a pack- some of the hiking is on the Appalachian Trail. Hunting and fishing, swimming with the grandkids. I travel a lot- just about every hotel has a fitness center- I can go workout for 20-30 minutes most evenings. I used to keep a chinning bar in the kitchen doorway- get used to doing 3 reps each time you walk thru the door, you'll be surprised what it does for your arms. Running? HAH! With my knees, more like shambling!
     
  5. diggsbakes

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    Work does it for me for the most part. Last couple jobs have been industrial concrete formwork and scaffolding. Wearing 50 lbs of fall protection equipment and tools, constantly climbing ladders, walls and steel, humping 2"x12"x12' planks, scaffold posts, braces, ladders and handrails for 10 hours a day. I still do try and get at least 2-3 work outs a week that include muscle group isolation/strength training and cardio.

    But you bring up a good point. It's a great idea never to let yourself slouch out.

    And c3Shooter. . . I'm already feelin' it in the knees too my friend. . .:(
     
  6. Lindenwood

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    I ride a bike to school, and am wirey and in pretty good shape. Even still, I keep my gear weight under 30 pounds (and I weigh 145). Sure, I could probably walk decent distances with a comfortable pack and more weight. But if the situation is bad enough that I'm walking around on foot instead of driving, I'd imagine it's also bad enough that there chance is very real I will need to do some running, evading, and hiding.

    I know many people plan on loading up with 50-100lbs of gear and marching into the wilderness. Most of them won't even be able to make it far with that. Then, when it comes time to run or even jog, most of the remainder won't even be able to do that for very long. And it's not even just about endurance. For anyone, strapping 30-50% of your weight to your back is going to make it really hard to move when the military roundup crew spots you walking down the street and you have to run between houses and jump over fences.

    With my scoped 10/22 setup (four loaded 25rd mags, 300rds of .22) and pistol equipment (Taurus PT92, three full mags, and an extra 150 rounds), my total load weight with 2L of water and a little bit of food was about 25lbs, including 300rds. Since then, I have dropped the rifle as primary carry** (and thus dropped a good 10lbs in the process), though I have gained a little bit in more comfort / shelter items like a wool blanket and a pup tent. But, I absolutely strive to keep weight and size as minimal as possible, even sacrificing weaponry to do so. While it's obvious nobody ever wanted a smaller gun in a gun fight, I'll be the guy high-tailing it into the sunset while the Rambos buy me time fighting the zombies or whatever. I don't get out nearly as much as I'd like, but I really enjoy testing these things out on hiking / camping trips to see what I've missed, what I don't need, or how to better secure things.


    **My GF has picked that weapon up as her primary, though.
     
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  7. Gus556

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    Any of you that have worked a farm knows how I keep in shape. I am not actually in good shape cardio wise in that I cant run for extended periods of time. I can however carry a 30# pack, a 10# rifle, and drag a 180# deer up and down steep grades for 5 miles.
    Firewood keeps the arms and back strong, doing it when it's 10below out keeps the lungs workin, carryin hay bales through the snow to get to the animals will keep yer legs strong as will movin animals around. Walking the fence line to ensure no escapes is good as well.
    Of course there is ALWAYS playtime, hunting, hiking, skiing, swimming in the river (try swimming upstream for a while!), ATV's, horseback riding, primitive camping, canoeing, sledding, golf, flag football league, and keeping up with the kids.

    Like a few others have mentioned, I am NOT bugging out. If this valley and surrounding hillsides are being overrun, I am going down defending it. If there is a Nuke or bio-weapon, we are screwed anyway!
     
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  8. patrilogical

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    I've got some underlying health problems, which would be a concern if SHTF.
    But, I also do long term (150+ miles) backpacking trips on the PCT so I'm pretty prepared for carrying a 50-60 pound backpack to where I need to go. I also hit the gym four times a week, I'm not gonna boast and say I'm a pro body builder but I like to keep in shape.


    In case of SHTF, my pack would consist of:
    Tent: 5 pounds.
    Sleeping Bag: 3 pounds.
    Water: 10 pounds. (Water is very important.)
    Socks: 2 pounds. (Bring lots of socks, you'll be amazed how quickly they wear out.)
    Other clothes: 5 pounds.
    Food: 15 pounds. (If you bring just freezed dried foods you can cut your food weight in half.)
    Ammo: 10 pounds.
    Other: 5-10 pounds.

    I could power jog with that for about half a mile if needed, but if it came to it I would drop the clothes and tent to lose some weight.
     
  9. james_black

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    Navy SEAL Workouts

    I keep myself busy and fit with this. I started 2 weeks ago. Eventually I want to join Crossfit.
     
  10. ShadowLID

    ShadowLID New Member

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    Depends on which SHTF scenario we are talking about here.

    But i live far enough in the woods that i would be ok. I know our woods like the back of my hand. I dont think there is a inch i have not walked.

    Plus my primary weapon would be. Patience.
     
  11. Lindenwood

    Lindenwood New Member

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    A possible alternative could be a second pack with the less-than-essentials, like extra clothes, a tent, etc, that could be quickly shed if necessary.
     
  12. crossfire

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    Why carry anything on your back at all, except for maybe a rifle or shotgun scabbard? A simple travois can be made with a harness having a quick-release latch. Equipped with wheels and properly packed, it puts very little weight on your hips and none on your shoulders and back. Nobody here (I hope) would even think about strapping a refrigerator to their back and trying to carry it; but the same refrigerator can be taken a considerable distance on an appliance dolly, can't it? Native American women, children and dogs were able to carry their own body weight without discomfort over distances of several hundred miles without the wheels. Done correctly, it can even serve as a one-person lean-to style shelter and provide some cover if you are fired at.
     
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  13. unknwnshooter

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    Patience is not only a virtue, but a great primary weapon too Shadow, so Kudos to you Sir. Give the Zombies enough time and they will make a mistake, either revealing themselves or their intentions, giving you the opportunity to size them up and decide how to react, whether to engage or exfil and what would be the best way to do either. Most people are so focused on what would be the best primary carry weapon, that they don't realize they come factory with the best weapon, "Their Minds". When they realize that, they will be one step ahead, and to anyone who is already aware of this, then you are two steps ahead !.
     
  14. heirmossy

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    I go through 30+ face cords of hardwood each year. I went to the gym 4 days a week until my back gave out. It's better now so it's back to the gym in a week or two. I snowshoe up in my 70 acres of woods as well.
    I'll be staying right here as I live in a very rural area. I'm getting closer each day to being prepared for a SHTF situation. Food and water is no problem. Heat and security is taken care of as well.
    The way I'm setup, I would be the one enjoying the element of surprise rather than the bad guy.
    I do have one area of concern though. When and if the time ever comes (I hope it never does) that I have to dispatch an "unfriendly" will address that concern. I've never had experience in "live combat" as many of our brave soldiers have. Mentally, I'm prepared as anyone that's untested can be. Technically, I shoot thousands of rounds a year and know my weapons well.
    I guess the rest is only learned with experience.
     
  15. ShadowLID

    ShadowLID New Member

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    Well said.
     
  16. Rick1967

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    I work out a Golds Gym 3 times a week for an hour on an eliptical. I am also a bicyclist. I guided a 34 cycle group through the Colorado National Monument. 50 mile trip. That is about a 2400 foot elevation gain in 6 miles.

    A year and a half ago I was twenty pounds heavier and couldn't run around the block. I would encourage people to join a gym. Start out slow at your own pace. Build up gradually. No one will ever mistake me for a body builder. But I can run with the big dogs just the same. If things get ugly that would not be the time I would want to find out that I can't carry a 30 lb pack.
     
  17. Davyboy

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    The main pimary weapon for me is the brain ( stop and think first )
     
  18. LittleBear

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    I would say that most people are just living there lives on autopilot, not really planning for any disasters or things of that nature...Also in America we have the luxury of not being a 3rd world country, we have running water, electricity, a Govt that well governs...People do not care about their overall health and fitness because they can get away without it...Exceptions to the Rule Soldiers, Police Officers, Firefighters, Construction workers...ect ect..My point being it is just the way the American culture has become...A side note being, you dont need a 50 pound backpack in a SHTF scenario...All you need is an AR-7, a box of ammo (500 rounds) A poncho liner, 300 Feet of 550 cord, 2 tourniquets, 1 roll of medical tape, 2-3 Bandages, 1 box of matchs-1 lighter, 4-5 Highprotien bars (more if you want) 1 canteen cup-A water source (canteen)-1 Multi tool-1 Fixed blade knife...and thats it Now you could always Lug your rifle and extra mags and along but thats up to you...Are you being invaded or is their a natural disaster, did your hunting partner get hurt and you need to hike 50 miles to town for help..Just some things to think about
     
  19. heirmossy

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    With all due respect LittleBear your assessment may have some shortcomings. While you're accurate about the electric, water and law enforcement this only works while they exist. Now what if I present you with a scenario like the following. Perhaps China and Europe decides the US Dollar is too risky so they go to Euros as their primary currency. Now the repercussions in the USA are the dollar is devalued to the point that our economy resembles Germany's post WWI Weimar Republic. Everyone demands to be paid every 4 hours because the dollar is losing value by the minute. A loaf of bread is now $1000.00. No one can pay for electric anymore.
    Taxes can't be collected as people won't work for worthless paper. You intend to read the paper to see how bad it is in other places but when you turn the light on, darkness remains. The grid is down at this point. You pick up the phone to ask why but the phone is dead. You know the faucets will remain dry but you turn the faucet anyway to no avail. Now your alarmed so you jump in your car to look around. There is a house on fire but no firefighters are on the way. (They don't work for free either) Look around, the looters are breaking in stores and no police anywhere. All the gas stations are closed as the pumps don't work anyway. At this point the whole economic system has crumbled. Your AR-7, a brick of .22's a canteen full of air (you need at the very least iodine to make surface water potable) and a few power bars, bandages, some rope and a few strips of tape aren't going to get you too far. It takes a lot of work to be prepared but if the SHTF you'll be happy you went a bit farther with your preparations.
     
  20. Josey Wales '94

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    All I have to say is, Holy ****! Man I have 2-a-days comin up for high school football in the middle of August in 100+ heat. I highly doubt I could even attempt to run half of the distances given. Push-ups, yeah, I could do that. Sit-ups, yup. Dips, uh-huh. Swimmin, nah, probably not. But the runnin, huh-uh, not close. I would probably only run a 7 min mile... so at a 8:30 pace for that long would be torture.:eek: