pre build help

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by stimis, Jun 9, 2013.

  1. stimis

    stimis New Member

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    Ok my spikes stripped lower should be to FFL this week, but I don't look for it until the end of summer at the earliest. So looking to put a wish list together. I want a rifle that I can shoot a 100 plus yards. Thinking 18-20" with full length aluminum free float handguard. What uppers are good, what lower parts kit, what stock? Post pics of similar rifles. Any ideas?
     

  2. jjfuller1

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    there are a lot of good uppers to choose from. just try to search diferent brands and find one you like. stag, PSA, RRA, Daniel defense, lmt, go to websites and start looking up stocks. im a fan of magpul stocks myself.
    if you want an excellent trigger i suggest a RRA match trigger. it can be bought seperatly or with a LPK. the LPK was about 180 i think the last time i looked. but the trigger is amazing. you can get pretty much any LPK though all depends on your budget.
     
  3. roughneck266

    roughneck266 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Spikes has some nice LPK's, to be honest though I have used a lot of different manufacturers LPK's and have never had any issues with any of them. Some are fancier than others, better triggers will cost a lot more. A few have never trigger guards in them, but the meat and potatoes of them are pretty much the same.
    You can get an Aero upper to put on it. I believe they actually make Spikes lowers for them anyway. You wont need an 18 or 20 barrel to get to 100. 16 inch barrels do that and more just fine. Now if you just WANT an 18 0r 20 barrel, then I would look for a nice Wilson, or if you dont mind polygonal rifling try black hole weaponry. I have never owned a rifle with it but I have a couple pistol that use polygonal rifling, they shoot fine. If you choose to go that route know that cast lead bullets are a no no, not that you would be using them in an AR anyway.
    Lots of cool fore ends out there. I have an 18" bull barrel rifle I just finished with an Odinworks barrel and forend on it. Very happy with both so far.
    The advice above is good too BCM makes good stuff.
     
  4. Crazycastor

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    I'm new to this too. Just recieved my Franklin Armory lower and want a 20 inch barrel.I ordered a complete parts kits from Rguns. Everything but the lower reciever should be in the kit. Don't order from them, I'm taking a big chance with them. I don't even know the twist rate of the barrel I'm getting. But if and when I recieve my parts I will use them until I can get a knights armory upper. I'll use the Rguns parts for another build. I've been following knights guns and I'm really impressed with their latest build. I love the new forarms they come out with. I know I won't be able to get it for awhile because everything is sold out.
     
  5. roughneck266

    roughneck266 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I hate to be the bearer of bad news. KAC sent out a message a few days ago saying they were suspending civilian sales until their military commitments coudl be met. I do not know how long that will be (they dont either). Basically it said they wont be accepting new orders for a bit though.
    Heck of a good choice though. They make top notch rifles.
     
  6. Crazycastor

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    Yea, I understand that. Their rifles are top notch, and the military needs their guns first.
     
  7. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    Unless you're intent on shooting 300yds+ or need quarter-sized groups beyond 150yds, a well-built 16" ML will serve you quite well. At least that's my experience.

    I currently own 7 ARs. Not one is over 16". I just don't like the extra weight and poor balance (front heavy) of longer options, with what I consider limited payoff. My precision range rifle is a 16" 1:8 stainless BCM ML, with a 2-7x32 Nikon scope...because honestly, I'm not looking for it to do cartwheels for me beyond 300yds. I want it to be awesome at 25-250yds.

    It all boils down to what you want your rifle to do for you. If you intend 100% of its application to be benchrest shooting for the tightest conceivable groups, your criteria will differ from mine. And in that case, get the longer SS 1:8 barrel, spring for a high end scope and trigger, and weight is no concern.
     
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  9. stimis

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    Thanks. Anyone use rguns yet? Also which is better 1:7,1:8,or 1:9 twist?
     
  10. roughneck266

    roughneck266 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I bought a matched set from Rguns a while back, Took forever to get and they arent really good about answering calls and such, but it did get here and was as advertised. I havent used their barrels. twist is going to be dependent on what grain bullet you want to shoot. You need a faster twist to stabilize a heavier projectile.
     
  11. Crazycastor

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    I have used rguns. Bought my parts on the 1st of June. Was told It would take 4 weeks to get it. So I'm waiting patiently
     
  12. stimis

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    Sooo if you think that a 16" barrel could possible get me out to 400-500 yds. What do you all think about rra predator pursuit 16"? When you order a complete upper can you change out the hand guard, I want a rifle length on it.
     
  13. roughneck266

    roughneck266 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    That rifle should have no issues getting you out there at all. You will have to put a different gas block on it than what is shown there in order to put a longer handguard though. Low prorile of some type is probably going to be your only choice in that case. If you go that route you will then need a handguard with some kinf of rail on top if you want a set of sights on it. Personally I am not much on sights on a bull barreled rifle but some are.
     
  14. stimis

    stimis New Member

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    Cool thanks. Want to go with a nice optic.
     
  15. JonM

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    I would strongly recomend against rguns. I live close to em and they make will hayden of redjacket look like freekin geniuses.

    Its mainly their terrible customer support as their stuff seems to work. Just dontexpect any help during or after the sale. Your on your own once they have your money
     
  16. sweeper22

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    RGuns: Good price, decent enough product, terrible customer service. Prepare to wait a while, and be okay with remaining 'in the dark' throughout that process. I really believe these statements sum up every bit of the reputation RGuns has rightfully earned. That's not to say they can't be a practical option...just know what you're getting yourself into.

    Twist: For a stationary, precision only rifle, I'd go 1:8. A stainless barrel is also nice, an 18+" barrel makes sense to me, and .223wylde chambering might be ideal...but that's all sort of contingent on this being a $2K+ gun (adding bucks for higher end trigger, optics, maybe even stock or bipod). If you pay big bucks for one of these options but not the rest, you may be wasting your money.

    If I win the lottery tomorrow, I'll build a $2500 precision AR that can do work at 500+ yards. It'll have $600-1000 optics, an 18" 1:8 Wylde barrel, and an extra $400-500 poured into the trigger and stock. But that probably won't happen. So I'll settle for my SS 16" BCM ML, 1:8, 5.56, with an ACS stock, Hypertouch trigger, Nikon 2-7x32 sights ($1500 rifle). Which is fine, because by budget and skill don't yet justify anything more than that.

    1:7 and 1:9 are both perfectly fine options. But 1:8 should be considered the standard for most ARs, IMO. Just my perspective. YMMV.
     
  17. stimis

    stimis New Member

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    Thanks can post a picture of your rifle
     
  18. stimis

    stimis New Member

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    Are muzzle brakes worth putting on? Or just stick with standard A2?