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Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by rccalzadilla, Aug 24, 2011.
What is meant by "pre ban" when describing complete uppers?
The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban banned a list of specific rifles from importation and sale.
It also banned guns based on certain 'features'. Per that law, a gun may not have more than TWO of the following features and still be legal:
bayonet lug, pistol grip, collapsable stock, flash hider, removable magazine, or a grenade launcher
There are a couple states that still control or regulate what you can have or not have, but in essence the ban has been lifted.
In some cases an original pre-ban rifle might bring a bit more money to the seller.
So pre-ban was manufactured before the ban took effect, or does it mean that it's components comply with the ban restrictions?
So Florida is not one of those states that continue to control and regulate the s**t out of our rights.
Let me guess, California continues to control and regulate.
Lets just "Hope" there's some actual "Change" and we don't see a reelection this time around.
When my wife sees me in a little despair, she asks, "He can't stay longer than 8 yrs, can he?". This realization doesn't help me much.
I am placing my trust in the American people to veer away from this course.
Off topic but there are many who can't seem to open their eyes to the fact he has done nothing to help point this country in the right direction. They want to play the "blame everyone but him" game and think he hasn't had enough time to make a difference. I cal BS on the time thing. 2.5 years is plenty of time to make a difference. Vacations, million dollar buses, and handouts are not the way to turn things around. He has no experience and it shows even w/ his cabinet of advisers. He's surrounded himself w/ like minded buffoons.
Florida is a firearms friendly state :thumbsup: for them. Cali, Chicago, N.Y., N.J. and others I'm sure are not.
Poor guy, he just inherited the problems and doesn't know how to fix them.
I don't want to go in this off topic but I am truly shocked by the bulk of the media's silence and absence of healthy, critical analysis.
"Pre-ban" is an archaic descriptive term, once used to describe rifles manufactured before the 1994 Crime Bill took effect. From the Federal law standpoint, one could possess or sell a rifle manufactured with (from the perspective of the 1994 Federal law) an excess of "ugly evil features," for example, flash suppressor, threaded barrel, bayonet lug, collapsible or folding stock, etc. Such rifles commanded a premium because the law fixed the supply: no new non-crime-bill-compliant rifles could be manufactured after the bill took effect.
In 2004 the "Assault Weapon" part of the Crime Bill sunset. Consequently, from a Federal law perspective, one can now assemble a rifle with all the ugly evil features one desires. "Pre" and "post" ban are meaningless, federally. However, certain states have instituted their own version of the "AW" ban. In those states, "pre-ban" is not anachronistic.
In plain English, "pre-ban" means normal configuration. "Post-ban" means arbitrarily mutilated to conform to a useless law. And, the "ban" that caused the terms to be coined disappeared seven years ago; it's as though the ban never existed—on the Federal level.
Surely "ugly, evil features" are very harmful. I guess hamburgers can also be banned for the detrimental effects it has on our health.
We'll ban cars too, for all the deaths they cause daily.
What about the activities which cause AIDS?
I wonder which kills more people?
Critical thinking is an extremely valuable and mostly lost skill.
I must say that the proscription of bayonet lugs put an end to all those gang drive-by stabbings...
PS Pelosi et.al. screamed bloody murder when folks just kept making ARs and AKs, those that conformed to the Crime Bill restrictions. "Loophole!! Close the loophole!" they cried, somehow overlooking that the builders just did what they had been told by Congress.
It's narcissicism, folks.
Excellent explanation of the terms by Mr. Kuleck, who writes excellent books BTW! I have a few myself and often reread them.
Today you normally see the "Ban" and "PreBan" terms describing AR components for sale nationally. If your state or local govt still enact a ban then you cannot buy a preban upper or rifle because it has illegal (to you) components, you'd be limited to the ban version. If you aren't affected by a ban then you'd normally choose a preban configuration (even though it wasn't actually manufactured before the 1994 Crime Bill).
Thank you for the kind words, Quentin. A nice summary too.
W. Bush inherited Clinton's screwups, but he didn't complain about 'em...he just did what every Prez does...
went out and made brand-new screwups all on his own
Reagan got a clusterfubar handed to him when he beat Jimmy Carter...he fixed a LOT of things...
which liberals have been fubar'ing ever since Clinton got in office.
If we had stuck to Reagan's plan of Smaller Gov't/Less Gov't, we'ed not be so deep in the hole.
And then they elected a guy who wants the gov to control everything.
Thanks, Walt... nice to see you have a new book! And on 1911s.